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okay so our guest tonight is cal korff

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who has been

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one of the people that have

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been exposing frauds and what i call

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cosmic con men for literally decades and

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we're

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anxious and happy to have him back here

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tonight because he's got sort of a

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special presentation

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on a couple of different things

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cal where do we begin with this

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well thanks steve for having me on here

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again i really appreciate this

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uh i appreciate especially the

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opportunity here

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to put together a bunch of visuals give

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them to you

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they represent and will show here what

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i've been working on

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for years and different countries

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uh on these different projects you know

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the hill case for example goes back

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quite a ways

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so the first slide which i'll be sending

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to you which can be put to this audio is

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it's called real ufo disclosure one

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event it was from october 19 2019

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there's a reason that date was chosen

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and i'll get to that in a moment and the

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reason i decided to call this whole

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thing real ufo disclosure is because i

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am sick and tired of hearing the phrase

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ufo disclosure ufo disclosure and

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promises of disclosure when nothing even

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close to what they say is disclosure

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ever happens you know you got ufo people

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out there who lie and say oh yeah pay me

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money and i'll set up a contact for you

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to meet aliens or channel them or

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whatever it's all

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not true

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just recently we did an investigation

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into this east city ranch which people

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have told me i have more than one source

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that it's a it's a light show they put

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on a light show charge you lots of money

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to come see these ufos somebody's off in

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the distance on a mountain

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making you

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believe that you're seeing something

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that you're not seeing

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yep i you know i that old technique goes

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back to billy meyer if not earlier maybe

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adamski his guys it's simple i'd like to

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see them do this in front of the police

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are under scientifically controlled

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conditions of course they won't these

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are con artists and frauds and i'll be

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very blunt i'm just that kind of guy and

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i admit ever since i left the united

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states in the year 2000 i became very

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much more blunt because i found that it

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just needed to be that way in some parts

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of the world and i found it very

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frustrating as an american to come to

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the u.s and hear and see and read this

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stuff about there being you know

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everything everybody talks around the

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truth and not the truth but doesn't

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really

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call people out and say look you're just

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not telling the truth

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i think that's so important because what

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i have witnessed is you know this sort

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of diplomacy in this so-called community

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and it's all centered around money it's

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kind of like well uh i'm making my money

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and let them do whatever they're going

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to do and and even some of my guests off

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the record have talked to me like you

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know uh

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you know they're just trying to make a

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living but

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if you're making a living selling fairy

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tales i have a problem with that and i

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think people shouldn't be diplomatic

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you're right they should just call a

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spade a spade and let's move on

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yeah i mean i'm you know old enough

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where i remember this going back decades

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where i could still be friends and and

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remain friends with people like wendell

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stevens

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but he was a uh

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fraud in that he helped promote the

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billy meyer fraud i am the one that

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exposed the story about him as you know

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about uh his uh child molest molesting

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the fact he was convicted for that and i

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thought about that because we mentioned

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it quickly and briefly in the show last

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week

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this idea that well we don't really know

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for sure and he was framed

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nonsense if you look at the court

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records and they're beyond dispute it

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was 15 counts he pled guilty to three in

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a plea bargaining arrangement 21 years

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uh to serve concurrently so it's only uh

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three seven year terms to

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circumcurrently otherwise it would have

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been a longer stint and wendell called a

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friend of mine just so you know then

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greg long now i'm not it's not the same

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great long that i later worked with to

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expose a patterson case he had done his

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own investigation i had done mine we

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cooperated on that book the making of

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bigfoot which remains the ultimate

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expose of the patterson film was part of

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a geographic show we did etc anyway it's

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a different greg long but because

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wendell uh thought i had cia connections

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and that this greg long did who was a

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friend of mine he called after he was

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arrested and said can you pull strings

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and help get me off

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and we told him we'll see what we can do

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and of course we could do nothing and we

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did nothing and this is a matter of

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record i mean i'm not repeat i'm not

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telling you something that

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people don't know if they don't know

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it's because they don't know the history

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going back and that's their fault uh

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meaning it's been out there for decades

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this is another point i want to

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emphasize in this show going forward

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history matters so when someone tells me

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that arts parts could be real

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when i exposed it it's a chapter in my

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book the roswell ufo crash what they

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don't want you to know

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from 1997 the lab report is cited in

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there including artwell admitting it's a

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hoax duh case closed don't tell me it's

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true when i know that roswell was caused

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by mobile it's not my problem if people

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refuse to believe it so don't tell me

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you've got fragments from roswell of

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exotic metal because mobile wasn't made

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from that so i'm going to be a stickler

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to this to the point where as i'm going

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to show you in these slides here uh i'm

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calling people out who can't even speak

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proper english you and i both know some

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of these people people like ufo jesus d

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prasad they use the word debunker

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incorrectly they don't understand what

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the word debunk means

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and they're fools when they talk this

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way and it is the right thing to do to

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say stop buddy until you admit and use

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the right words to back up what you're

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saying we can't continue the

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conversation because you might as well

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talk about unicorn science it's the same

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thing you're just making it up

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and again you know it's not to rain on

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everybody's parade or whatever but this

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is the reality so as i go through this

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stuff here uh again this

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these slides that you're going to see

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they're an overview of things that were

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from the real ufo disclosure one event

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october uh is november 22nd uh it's real

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ufo disclosure too and at these events

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i'm going to be disclosing real ufo data

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and i'm still waiting for the other side

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to do the same thing

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and i'll probably wait for the rest of

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my life at the rate they're going so and

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so i announced that there were 10

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projects okay i worked with

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our media partners on this told them

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this is coming i'm not the only one

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working on this stuff and for decades i

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know most of the important if not all

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the important key ufo researchers who do

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serious work have known them for a long

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time because they're old school types

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and they're not out there having the

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internet wars and engaging in the social

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justice warrior nonsense and all key

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caps wars they're doing research they

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don't want to be on the front line they

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don't want to take the daggers and so

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to lay the foundational stuff for this

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first i'm going to explain why it is

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that i'm able to do what i do and it's

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very friggin simple basically i've

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always lived my life in existence by

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what i call three charters of

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basically what i do is i conduct

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original research

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or i finish research that has been left

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incomplete by others

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or i look at existing issues and i try

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to provide solutions and then move on

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so if you look at everything i've done

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and we're talking about as a young boy

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starting this ufo thing in 1973

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everybody loses when you don't bother

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and then original research is the

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primary driver that pushes the human

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race forwards and if you look at what i

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do in the areas that i play in the

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group that i work with and have for

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so that's a lot of areas it's everything

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i'm into and i'm fascinated by

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everything i don't know

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i learned overseas for example doing

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counter terrorism analysis doing a lot

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of reports

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that intelligence was valuable so i

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section or division in our group to

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handle intelligence i do a lot of

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counterterrorism stuff i have for years

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often full page specials

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you know i have a history in this

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analytics without analytics you can't

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understand anything archaeology history

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they're grouped together because the

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historical record must complement the

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archaeological record right now there's

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a lot of schisms we're working with

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researchers in different areas

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especially in areas like biblical

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archaeology to try to reconcile some of

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these gaps with conventional science

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arts and literature again a big backer

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of that especially things like e-books

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again arts and literature love it

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you can ask my teachers again i'm really

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into that stuff too politics social

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issues to me you can't separate them and

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science and technology long time i t guy

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loves science and so on so our roswell

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uh is under the history charter because

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roswell either happened or didn't it's

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not under the ufo paranormal area

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because we don't have that there's no

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such thing as the paranormal that's

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another showstopper there

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it's either the normal that we haven't

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figured out yet

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or it's the normal there's only one

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universe so to speak we're all in it

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there's no such thing as paranormal it

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would be part of the normal if people

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really could read each other's minds if

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other life is out there they're not

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paranormal it's other life hello unless

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we're paranormal life too

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you know it's ridiculous that

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the that they say

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and and they speak this gibberish

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even you know it reminds me of the

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nonsense deep choker will say all right

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so giving you all this background now

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over the years

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um for decades now and this is how i

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became famous as a young kid and

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was on larry king and these other things

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uh in the in the 90s and 80s

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because everything that i did

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research-wise i always released to the

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public when i was ready and finished

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they came out with form of products

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articles productions or books okay and

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if you look at what i did between 1973

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and 2000

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when i started you know lecturing and

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doing stuff at age 11 and 13 i covered

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paranormal jfk's murder paranormal

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meaning i was a associate director

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assistant director excuse me of the

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institute of paranormal science we work

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with sri

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on the

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yuri geller stuff and all that and we

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that's how i first heard of how put off

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and knew the nonsense about that he was

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hyping the e-meter back then

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studied japanese also he was also

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one of the people that i kind of laugh

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at because he declared yuri geller a

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genuine psychic

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yuri geller for those that don't know

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has come out in magician circles

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recently and started selling his

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magician secrets and

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basically admitted to all magicians

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anyway that yeah i'm just you know it

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was all just to put on i'm doing this

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stuff through trickery

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and for i think he's selling a dvd

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that's very expensive like 500 or

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something to other magicians and and

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want to be mentalists and things like

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that so it's kind of funny that mr put

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off declared him a genuine psychic years

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later he even admits he's a fake it's

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great

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yeah and uh that's typical put off and

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um you know he has been caught and

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busted through our investigations and

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things other investigators like bob

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kiviat

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uh

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being connected to different techno

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scams going back decades this includes

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even a tip of course ttsa his current

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techno scam gig and he was even involved

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in the internasa techno scam

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so uh in high school out of high school

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covered jfk's murder went to jfk's high

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school ironically which yanked out of

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high school by the government one day

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because of the work i was doing with

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house assassinations committee

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later debated the head of that committee

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on larry king beat him in the debate

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showed there was no conspiracy

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was predicting a nuclear problem before

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three mile island happened was

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involved in

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uh anti-russian cold war stuff meyer ufo

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code hyper media roswell ufo crash all

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between 73 and 2000 there's even

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newspaper articles which they won't they

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aren't on the internet unless i post

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them there that document all this

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including the hyper media stuff

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so if you look today at the top

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conspiracies that people believe in

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there's the 911 conspiracy the jfk

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conspiracy the roswell ufo crash

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fake moon landings now which wasn't the

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case when i was in school because we

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were landing on the moon at the time

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illuminati and vaccines cause autism

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that's a new level of stupidity and when

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you look at as this slide i'll send you

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shows the top 20 conspiracies this is

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according to public policy polling uh

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look at numbers 12 and 13. bigfoot or

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sasquatch exists 43 million people

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believe that 14 of the population

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13

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is literally the living antichrist

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13

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of americans or 40.8 million americans

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who vote believe this

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and and this is frightening okay

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and then you look at the numbers we're

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on fire here the 911 conspiracy 88

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million people believe there was one 160

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million people believe jfk conspiracy

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66 million and roswell 22 million in the

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fake loan landings 88 million in the

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illuminati that some small group

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controls everything

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and uh another as much as 63 million

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depending on your poll believe that

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vaccines cause autism

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so yeah and i have a problem with that

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having a child that's a that has autism

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i i

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it makes me cringe every time i see some

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idiot posting stuff about that

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because

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the latest scientific studies and these

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are real scientific peer-reviewed

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studies

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prove that autism forms in the womb

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folks before there is any vaccinations

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given to the child it forms in the womb

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so all these people run around with that

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conspiracy are idiots

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yeah and because america is a celebrity

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culture and the media is only owned by a

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handful of companies now thanks to the

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democrats republicans allowing this in

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the spirit of so-called competition what

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happens is you see

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a show that is total bs

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make the rounds vertically up and down

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the spectrum because it's one entity as

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a parent company owning all the

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different branches it's going to air in

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but what's interesting steve is when you

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drill down to

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why do peop what kinds of people believe

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in this stuff not only is it

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you know typical americans but like this

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one slide shows

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if you look at how they think

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politically 62

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of the democrats believe that the us

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government is hiding something about

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ufos 62

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by contrast 23 percent of republicans

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believe it

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whereas only 15 of independents believe

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it

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okay

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and then when you look

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interesting breakdown i never thought

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about uh

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that kind of a thing that you know like

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i i don't know with all this stuff like

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where your politics

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that's kind of interesting to me so

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republicans are less likely to believe

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in this

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right but this does explain it's not a

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coincidence why people like podesta

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harry reid and these other ufo nutter

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believers are in there because they're

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all democrats it's it's hard to find a

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republican or independent in the

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independent seem to be the most sane

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they're more uh you got to prove it to

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me i want to see a dead body

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so there you go

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okay there you go score one for

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statistics now if you look at say the

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gallup data now this is jfk's

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assassination this is another slide

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you're getting in 1963 you know kennedy

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was killed in 63 of course

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53 percent of americans thought

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something was wrong conspiracy by 76

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1976

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and this is when i started studying it

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81 of americans believed it by 2001

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81 and now in 2013 which was the last

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time gallup bothered to ask the question

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it was down to 61

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okay but again that's one of the big

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conspiracies and if you look again over

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the years it has ebbed and flowed in

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relation to as this slide shows when

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oliver stone's movie came out and so on

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so there is a connection between the

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media and when people believe this

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nonsense and then if you look at the

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overall

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uh numbers this is another slide you're

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getting uh this one's called fugly

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americans conspiracy views is the

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government hiding something about ufos

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there's three sets of bar graphs one

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shows that for democrats republicans and

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independents how they line up versus

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over all numbers okay and you see the

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democrats are way out in left field

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literally you see that 62 percent of

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them believe in this cosmic watergate

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whereas overall if you average all the

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numbers only 54 barely over half of

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americans believe it

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uh below half once you include the

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independents

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and same with the no's

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most americans are certain no whereas 27

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of the uh democrats are saying no as far

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as i i'm certain there's no cover-up

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again that's not most it's only a small

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27

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and again uncertain is 19

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so again they're not uh

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in touch with the rest of what the

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country says so i quote in this next

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slide with this joker type image you see

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here a quote

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we found clear evidence that the united

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states is a strongly conspiratorial

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society this was a study lead

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christopher botter the sociologist at

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chapman university he says quote we see

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a degree of paranoia in the responses

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most indicative is nearly one-third of

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respondents one-third 33 percent believe

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the government is concealing information

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about the north dakota crash

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a theory we asked about

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they made it up they asked them what

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about the north dakota crash are they

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hiding that concealing that oh yeah

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one third of the people and they just

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made it up

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you know so that's how pathetic we have

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become as a society and i'll tell you

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this is why i got interested on the

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subject officially on october 19 1973

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because at the young age of just 11 i'm

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looking at all my fellow kids playing in

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the you know the playground i would have

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done it that day myself but two days

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earlier people started bringing in

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articles about ufos that's all there was

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in the news and we were talking about it

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as a kid in the class and i thought my

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god the ramifications of this are

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profound either we're nuts and we're

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seeing something and we got nuclear

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weapons not a good combo or

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we

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are being visited and that's exciting

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either way we'll learn and whatever that

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answer is we can only benefit from it

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what i started to see as i started to

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look at the ufo questions see a lot of

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fraud and conspiracy conspiracy nonsense

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is i feared that one day it would enter

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the mainstream and that when it just

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became mainstream enough it doesn't have

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to be everybody just enough people

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it can bring down a society

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and split it and cause a divided states

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of america i've been very consistent

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about its wrong people about it over the

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years this is exactly what has happened

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so another slide here says kurt kalkorf

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total research critical thinkers

557
00:22:01,029 --> 00:21:58,559
deliverables between 1973 and 2000 there

558
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,039
are six key events here

559
00:22:05,270 --> 00:22:03,520
that i'm reminding current ufo

560
00:22:06,310 --> 00:22:05,280
researchers and

561
00:22:07,110 --> 00:22:06,320
young

562
00:22:09,270 --> 00:22:07,120
right

563
00:22:11,669 --> 00:22:09,280
click wonders as i call them

564
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:11,679
because you can't take this out of

565
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:12,960
history

566
00:22:18,390 --> 00:22:15,120
and because this happened much of what

567
00:22:22,630 --> 00:22:18,400
you're saying is i'm sorry

568
00:22:25,110 --> 00:22:22,640
i'll start with 1993 november 22nd cnn

569
00:22:27,990 --> 00:22:25,120
30th anniversary solving larry king's

570
00:22:29,909 --> 00:22:28,000
murder i was the star of that show i

571
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:29,919
debated the head of the house select

572
00:22:34,870 --> 00:22:32,480
committee on assassinations mr gayden

573
00:22:37,430 --> 00:22:34,880
fonzie kicked his ass you can see the

574
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:37,440
show yourself so don't tell me kennedy

575
00:22:44,950 --> 00:22:41,840
was killed by someone other than oswald

576
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,960
another show fox tvs encounters

577
00:22:48,950 --> 00:22:46,640
fox tv

578
00:22:51,750 --> 00:22:48,960
debated jim delatoso

579
00:22:54,230 --> 00:22:51,760
announced i'd gone undercover to expose

580
00:22:57,029 --> 00:22:54,240
the meyer cult bob kiviat produced that

581
00:22:59,270 --> 00:22:57,039
show delitosa lost that debate you could

582
00:23:01,029 --> 00:22:59,280
clearly see the object was a small

583
00:23:02,870 --> 00:23:01,039
bottle in front of the tree it's right

584
00:23:05,430 --> 00:23:02,880
there on the screen folks

585
00:23:07,669 --> 00:23:05,440
case closed don't tell me it didn't

586
00:23:09,350 --> 00:23:07,679
happen don't tell me the meyer case is

587
00:23:12,830 --> 00:23:09,360
true

588
00:23:15,909 --> 00:23:12,840
50th anniversary of roswell july 4th

589
00:23:18,950 --> 00:23:15,919
1997. there i am in this slide

590
00:23:22,230 --> 00:23:18,960
all day special from roswell new mexico

591
00:23:24,310 --> 00:23:22,240
via msnbc studios i'm on there with

592
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:24,320
lieutenant uh kid injured or colonel

593
00:23:29,110 --> 00:23:27,039
kittinger the pathfinder crew who landed

594
00:23:30,630 --> 00:23:29,120
on mars lieutenant

595
00:23:33,350 --> 00:23:30,640
captain mcandrew

596
00:23:36,149 --> 00:23:33,360
a bunch of people were showing that it

597
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:36,159
was project mobile that was it we're

598
00:23:41,590 --> 00:23:38,799
explaining how this thing is hyped all

599
00:23:43,430 --> 00:23:41,600
day special including uh online event

600
00:23:45,909 --> 00:23:43,440
afterwards for a couple hours art levine

601
00:23:48,310 --> 00:23:45,919
does a huge story for msnbc

602
00:23:51,029 --> 00:23:48,320
showing all of this a three-parter don't

603
00:23:53,750 --> 00:23:51,039
tell me roswell involved a crash of a

604
00:23:56,149 --> 00:23:53,760
ufo it's i'm one of the four

605
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:56,159
original roswell researchers who grew up

606
00:24:00,870 --> 00:23:58,159
with bill moore and stanton friedman you

607
00:24:02,070 --> 00:24:00,880
see me in there you can't take that out

608
00:24:04,710 --> 00:24:02,080
of history

609
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:04,720
another show you see on this slide lisa

610
00:24:10,470 --> 00:24:07,840
you may remember the talk show from lisa

611
00:24:14,070 --> 00:24:10,480
gibbons about the phoenix lights showing

612
00:24:17,269 --> 00:24:14,080
they were military flares another image

613
00:24:19,830 --> 00:24:17,279
you see there too town meeting abc tv

614
00:24:21,909 --> 00:24:19,840
beat kevin randall and frank kaufman

615
00:24:23,750 --> 00:24:21,919
when kevin randle was promoting kaufman

616
00:24:26,310 --> 00:24:23,760
as a credible roswell witness he later

617
00:24:29,269 --> 00:24:26,320
admitted he was a hoaxer and lastly the

618
00:24:31,669 --> 00:24:29,279
last image which is relevant today

619
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:31,679
discovery channel secrets of area 51

620
00:24:36,070 --> 00:24:34,159
revealed one hour special exposing the

621
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,080
miss of area 51

622
00:24:40,710 --> 00:24:38,640
uh showing that there are no aliens

623
00:24:43,590 --> 00:24:40,720
stuffed in pickle jars there so this is

624
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,600
all foundational stuff nobody can deny

625
00:24:47,750 --> 00:24:45,360
it take it out of there a lot of young

626
00:24:49,350 --> 00:24:47,760
people don't know it i you know it's is

627
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,360
and isn't their fault depends on who it

628
00:24:53,350 --> 00:24:52,080
is but what seems to me it seems to me

629
00:24:55,110 --> 00:24:53,360
that uh

630
00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:55,120
you know if you were young enough to

631
00:24:58,470 --> 00:24:56,880
miss it when it came around the first

632
00:25:00,230 --> 00:24:58,480
time and you were interested in this

633
00:25:01,190 --> 00:25:00,240
stuff

634
00:25:03,269 --> 00:25:01,200
you

635
00:25:04,950 --> 00:25:03,279
it it's this

636
00:25:06,549 --> 00:25:04,960
younger generation is just getting

637
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:06,559
exposed to some of this stuff and that's

638
00:25:10,230 --> 00:25:07,440
why

639
00:25:11,990 --> 00:25:10,240
sort of the history of like how some of

640
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,000
this stuff has been proven

641
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:14,960
to be bogus is kind of lost and then

642
00:25:19,350 --> 00:25:17,120
these younger people have to start over

643
00:25:22,470 --> 00:25:19,360
to you know get through

644
00:25:25,750 --> 00:25:22,480
and find what they believe

645
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:25,760
well yes in a pure world it would work

646
00:25:28,549 --> 00:25:27,760
that way but i'll tell you what has gone

647
00:25:33,269 --> 00:25:28,559
on

648
00:25:35,110 --> 00:25:33,279
and it made me and i found evidence of

649
00:25:37,669 --> 00:25:35,120
this when i was in india because in

650
00:25:39,510 --> 00:25:37,679
india when i heard that stanton

651
00:25:43,590 --> 00:25:39,520
friedman's book on the hill case had

652
00:25:47,110 --> 00:25:43,600
been optioned by bryce zabel who was a

653
00:25:49,350 --> 00:25:47,120
producer with dark skies is a total mj12

654
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:49,360
believer he can't even use the word to

655
00:25:53,830 --> 00:25:51,760
bunker properly either i told him he's

656
00:25:56,390 --> 00:25:53,840
going to be exposed this is that show

657
00:25:57,190 --> 00:25:56,400
where he is going to be exposed

658
00:26:02,470 --> 00:25:57,200
um

659
00:26:03,830 --> 00:26:02,480
with a project called zeta reticuli in

660
00:26:05,990 --> 00:26:03,840
conspiracy

661
00:26:07,830 --> 00:26:06,000
because i have the evidence and it's

662
00:26:10,070 --> 00:26:07,840
published out there in the current issue

663
00:26:12,070 --> 00:26:10,080
of the skeptical inquire that proves

664
00:26:15,029 --> 00:26:12,080
that friedman always knew that the betty

665
00:26:17,510 --> 00:26:15,039
hills star map was bs i was the person

666
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:17,520
that proved it to him i'm the one who

667
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:19,360
was the liaison between him and

668
00:26:23,750 --> 00:26:21,600
astronomer charles atterberg those

669
00:26:25,830 --> 00:26:23,760
letters and original files from the 70s

670
00:26:26,870 --> 00:26:25,840
have been found and they're coming out

671
00:26:27,990 --> 00:26:26,880
in a book

672
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:28,000
i have

673
00:26:31,750 --> 00:26:29,600
already published the image from it

674
00:26:34,870 --> 00:26:31,760
called the zeta reticuli conspiracy on

675
00:26:37,430 --> 00:26:34,880
november 22nd uh in a couple and you

676
00:26:38,950 --> 00:26:37,440
know shortly from now it's co-authored

677
00:26:40,870 --> 00:26:38,960
with rob mcconnell

678
00:26:41,909 --> 00:26:40,880
now the reason this is coming out is

679
00:26:44,870 --> 00:26:41,919
because

680
00:26:47,909 --> 00:26:44,880
the book captured which is optioned by

681
00:26:50,070 --> 00:26:47,919
zabel is a historical farce

682
00:26:52,549 --> 00:26:50,080
it is it's a fraud and i'm not going to

683
00:26:55,190 --> 00:26:52,559
stand for it because i know from first

684
00:26:58,390 --> 00:26:55,200
hand involvement it's not true

685
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:58,400
the incident the incident the uh

686
00:27:02,470 --> 00:27:00,640
interrupted journey by john fuller

687
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:02,480
that's a much better book about the hill

688
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,360
case it is more factual friedman's is a

689
00:27:09,350 --> 00:27:07,279
revisionist spin

690
00:27:12,149 --> 00:27:09,360
to push his version

691
00:27:14,630 --> 00:27:12,159
of what he sold all his life most of it

692
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,640
the cosmic watergate and that's why the

693
00:27:18,710 --> 00:27:16,640
article was called from cosmic watergate

694
00:27:20,789 --> 00:27:18,720
to cosmic watermelon the stanton

695
00:27:24,389 --> 00:27:20,799
friedman that i knew and you see the

696
00:27:27,909 --> 00:27:24,399
moment that my shocked look was captured

697
00:27:30,070 --> 00:27:27,919
by the press the san francisco examiner

698
00:27:32,230 --> 00:27:30,080
in this big article where friedman is

699
00:27:34,630 --> 00:27:32,240
just saying ridiculous things

700
00:27:36,310 --> 00:27:34,640
and it was roswell and the way he

701
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,320
treated and denied the hill case that

702
00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:38,399
came between us and that's why i wrote

703
00:27:42,789 --> 00:27:40,559
the book the roswell ufo crash but they

704
00:27:45,750 --> 00:27:42,799
don't want you to know they being the

705
00:27:48,630 --> 00:27:45,760
ufo nuts like friedman who have lied

706
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,640
about what happened and so what i show

707
00:27:52,070 --> 00:27:50,559
in these slides is my involvement in the

708
00:27:54,870 --> 00:27:52,080
original effort of the so-called

709
00:27:57,190 --> 00:27:54,880
disclosure thing with the aviary after i

710
00:27:59,029 --> 00:27:57,200
refused to be involved in it you see my

711
00:28:00,549 --> 00:27:59,039
name on the organizational thing there

712
00:28:02,470 --> 00:28:00,559
with friedman's name

713
00:28:05,110 --> 00:28:02,480
and i tried to

714
00:28:08,230 --> 00:28:05,120
fix all of this years ago remained

715
00:28:10,310 --> 00:28:08,240
silent for many years until i found out

716
00:28:11,990 --> 00:28:10,320
on the 50th anniversary of roswell when

717
00:28:13,750 --> 00:28:12,000
i talked to my publisher prometheus

718
00:28:15,510 --> 00:28:13,760
books that uh

719
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:15,520
there was no book coming out to tell the

720
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:17,679
truth about roswell and i said well i

721
00:28:21,510 --> 00:28:20,080
solved it took 16 years but it's done

722
00:28:23,669 --> 00:28:21,520
you want me to write the book they said

723
00:28:25,430 --> 00:28:23,679
sure go ahead and i said okay problem

724
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:25,440
was it was late in the year i had to get

725
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:27,840
it to them in about 30 days and i got it

726
00:28:32,230 --> 00:28:30,000
to them in a little under six weeks and

727
00:28:34,389 --> 00:28:32,240
then much to my surprise it became the

728
00:28:38,070 --> 00:28:34,399
best-selling book of all time exposing

729
00:28:39,350 --> 00:28:38,080
roswell it takes out all 22 major titles

730
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:39,360
which

731
00:28:43,750 --> 00:28:41,600
constitute the knowledge of roswell so

732
00:28:45,029 --> 00:28:43,760
because we know what roswell was there's

733
00:28:47,110 --> 00:28:45,039
no question

734
00:28:49,669 --> 00:28:47,120
we know it was project mobile it doesn't

735
00:28:52,310 --> 00:28:49,679
matter what arts parts is and arts parts

736
00:28:55,909 --> 00:28:52,320
is exposed in that book in a chapter it

737
00:28:57,750 --> 00:28:55,919
was done in 1997 so that's why msnbc

738
00:28:59,590 --> 00:28:57,760
back in the days when they weren't a

739
00:29:01,350 --> 00:28:59,600
bleeding liberal network they were

740
00:29:03,430 --> 00:29:01,360
partnered with microsoft it was a new

741
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:03,440
network they had real integrity and

742
00:29:08,549 --> 00:29:06,240
credibility they checked all this stuff

743
00:29:11,350 --> 00:29:08,559
including kaufman was able to easily see

744
00:29:13,350 --> 00:29:11,360
he was a fraud and got randall to admit

745
00:29:15,029 --> 00:29:13,360
it and uh the rest is history was

746
00:29:18,389 --> 00:29:15,039
broadcast all day

747
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:18,399
and it's a fact and so what i found out

748
00:29:22,549 --> 00:29:20,640
from india in trying to find the old

749
00:29:24,630 --> 00:29:22,559
documents that i know used to be there

750
00:29:26,870 --> 00:29:24,640
on the internet about the ill case i

751
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:26,880
found out that they're gone that a lot

752
00:29:30,630 --> 00:29:29,520
of these old pieces of data have been

753
00:29:32,630 --> 00:29:30,640
removed

754
00:29:34,710 --> 00:29:32,640
and somebody had to take them down they

755
00:29:36,389 --> 00:29:34,720
didn't remove themselves

756
00:29:38,630 --> 00:29:36,399
and it's not a coincidence well thank

757
00:29:41,029 --> 00:29:38,640
god i had old original copies and i'm

758
00:29:44,149 --> 00:29:41,039
releasing them now warning people ahead

759
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:44,159
of time that if mr zabel wants to go

760
00:29:46,149 --> 00:29:45,120
there and

761
00:29:48,149 --> 00:29:46,159
you know

762
00:29:49,750 --> 00:29:48,159
promote a fraud on the public saying

763
00:29:51,750 --> 00:29:49,760
it's true when it's not

764
00:29:53,510 --> 00:29:51,760
and friedman knew it so i don't know

765
00:29:56,310 --> 00:29:53,520
what he licensed or optioned you know i

766
00:29:57,830 --> 00:29:56,320
wasn't involved it needs to be exposed

767
00:30:00,470 --> 00:29:57,840
and that's why it's coming out and

768
00:30:01,990 --> 00:30:00,480
that's why this leads to

769
00:30:05,190 --> 00:30:02,000
another series of slides you're getting

770
00:30:07,830 --> 00:30:05,200
about the annie jacobson expose

771
00:30:10,070 --> 00:30:07,840
before we get to any jacobson just just

772
00:30:12,549 --> 00:30:10,080
so that we're clear

773
00:30:14,310 --> 00:30:12,559
yeah the biggest proof in the hill case

774
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:14,320
or or the proof that many people have

775
00:30:20,310 --> 00:30:17,600
cited was this star map that apparently

776
00:30:22,149 --> 00:30:20,320
aliens gave betty hill

777
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:22,159
mentally and she drew it and then

778
00:30:24,870 --> 00:30:23,919
somebody matched it up and that's where

779
00:30:27,190 --> 00:30:24,880
we get

780
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:27,200
zeta reticuli from which is at the heart

781
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:29,840
of so many ufo myths and

782
00:30:32,630 --> 00:30:30,640
uh

783
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:32,640
everything but

784
00:30:37,110 --> 00:30:34,080
you're saying

785
00:30:40,310 --> 00:30:37,120
you you've explained to me that

786
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:40,320
the star map is in total error and you

787
00:30:46,470 --> 00:30:43,279
know for a fact because you worked with

788
00:30:47,669 --> 00:30:46,480
stanton and an astrophysicist that he

789
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:47,679
was aware

790
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:50,399
that that star map was bogus

791
00:30:53,669 --> 00:30:51,840
yeah and thanks for

792
00:30:55,510 --> 00:30:53,679
slowing me down and backing me up here

793
00:30:57,430 --> 00:30:55,520
uh unfortunately i have way more data

794
00:30:59,029 --> 00:30:57,440
than even these two hours i understand

795
00:31:01,590 --> 00:30:59,039
that but i wanted to be very clear on

796
00:31:03,669 --> 00:31:01,600
this point of why it's so important

797
00:31:05,830 --> 00:31:03,679
because that's the proof that everybody

798
00:31:08,470 --> 00:31:05,840
points to and it's pretty clear that

799
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,480
that proof is not proof yeah

800
00:31:13,110 --> 00:31:11,279
yeah in fact it's it's it's open and

801
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,120
shut meaning there's no dispute at all

802
00:31:17,190 --> 00:31:14,880
make a long story short

803
00:31:19,350 --> 00:31:17,200
as and this is again in the current

804
00:31:22,870 --> 00:31:19,360
issue of skeptical inquire it came out

805
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:26,389
in october 1976

806
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:28,720
robert schaefer wrote an article in

807
00:31:34,149 --> 00:31:31,360
official ufo magazine pointing out that

808
00:31:36,870 --> 00:31:34,159
another star map had been found that was

809
00:31:38,389 --> 00:31:36,880
a better match than marjorie fishes and

810
00:31:40,310 --> 00:31:38,399
at that point there was kind of a

811
00:31:42,310 --> 00:31:40,320
division in what the thinking was well

812
00:31:44,710 --> 00:31:42,320
it's a better match it still proves the

813
00:31:46,870 --> 00:31:44,720
hill case is true no so i went to

814
00:31:48,950 --> 00:31:46,880
friedman about this i said both

815
00:31:50,070 --> 00:31:48,960
atterberg the astronomer and fish can't

816
00:31:53,190 --> 00:31:50,080
be right

817
00:31:54,950 --> 00:31:53,200
it's either one or the other or neither

818
00:31:57,590 --> 00:31:54,960
what do you think he says i don't know

819
00:31:59,269 --> 00:31:57,600
you know i believe fish okay fine i said

820
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:59,279
well stan i'm not gonna accept that i'm

821
00:32:04,230 --> 00:32:01,600
going to run the trap on this so i spent

822
00:32:05,269 --> 00:32:04,240
a year over a year writing old snail

823
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:05,279
mail

824
00:32:09,430 --> 00:32:08,000
to atterberg ran everything by him kept

825
00:32:10,950 --> 00:32:09,440
going back and forth to friedman because

826
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:10,960
we lived near each other

827
00:32:16,230 --> 00:32:13,600
through everything at atterberg i could

828
00:32:18,470 --> 00:32:16,240
uh got inputs from carl sagan you name

829
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:18,480
it threw everything out there the files

830
00:32:23,669 --> 00:32:20,320
are all there the papers are all there

831
00:32:25,990 --> 00:32:23,679
and they prove that friedman

832
00:32:28,549 --> 00:32:26,000
lost and would not face the facts and i

833
00:32:29,350 --> 00:32:28,559
got so frustrated with friedman over

834
00:32:31,750 --> 00:32:29,360
this

835
00:32:33,830 --> 00:32:31,760
that uh i there's one of the letters

836
00:32:35,430 --> 00:32:33,840
that's published i say i'm going to go

837
00:32:37,750 --> 00:32:35,440
over his house and confront him because

838
00:32:39,350 --> 00:32:37,760
he's avoiding me you know and so what i

839
00:32:41,830 --> 00:32:39,360
did is i brought over my file and i

840
00:32:43,669 --> 00:32:41,840
handed freeman i said look it's over

841
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:43,679
he has found a better match which means

842
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:45,840
the hill map is worthless it's a roar

843
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:46,799
shock

844
00:32:50,950 --> 00:32:48,080
he says i don't know i'm not an

845
00:32:52,950 --> 00:32:50,960
astronomer and after tokenly flipping

846
00:32:54,470 --> 00:32:52,960
through pages for about 30 seconds and i

847
00:32:56,230 --> 00:32:54,480
was really shocked i'm like oh you're

848
00:32:58,310 --> 00:32:56,240
not an astronomer okay but yeah you're a

849
00:33:01,029 --> 00:32:58,320
good enough astronomer to quote fish

850
00:33:02,789 --> 00:33:01,039
when it suits your purposes this is bs

851
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:02,799
and he did the same thing with roswell

852
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,519
over the debris photos that shows mogul

853
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,679
there's no question and that's really

854
00:33:12,310 --> 00:33:10,080
what marcel recovered he made up the

855
00:33:13,990 --> 00:33:12,320
fact i was there when he did it when i

856
00:33:17,110 --> 00:33:14,000
confronted him over those photos and

857
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:17,120
said look there's no saucer here okay

858
00:33:20,230 --> 00:33:18,559
and he's like no there must have been a

859
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:20,240
debris switch and there was no debris

860
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,360
switch so those cases came between us

861
00:33:27,509 --> 00:33:25,519
and published for the first time are

862
00:33:30,070 --> 00:33:27,519
these letters and documents they're from

863
00:33:32,310 --> 00:33:30,080
the 70s they are the originals i'm the

864
00:33:34,070 --> 00:33:32,320
only person on the planet who did this

865
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:34,080
which also made me mad because i'm in

866
00:33:38,230 --> 00:33:36,080
high school and i'm like i should be

867
00:33:41,509 --> 00:33:38,240
reading someone else's job having done

868
00:33:43,750 --> 00:33:41,519
this friedman should have done it

869
00:33:46,230 --> 00:33:43,760
wow that's uh you know the other thing

870
00:33:48,149 --> 00:33:46,240
that i wanted to clarify is

871
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:48,159
we were you were also talking about this

872
00:33:53,430 --> 00:33:50,320
annie jacobson book we're gonna get to

873
00:33:56,549 --> 00:33:53,440
that i yeah for my listener's sake annie

874
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:56,559
jacobson writes this book on area 51 and

875
00:34:01,590 --> 00:33:58,480
most of it is

876
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:01,600
most of the book is a boring read of

877
00:34:05,750 --> 00:34:03,600
history and things that were already

878
00:34:07,669 --> 00:34:05,760
known about area 51 that you could get

879
00:34:10,069 --> 00:34:07,679
from like wikipedia

880
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,079
just drawn out but the last chapter she

881
00:34:12,869 --> 00:34:12,000
pulls out some new theory of roswell

882
00:34:15,829 --> 00:34:12,879
that's

883
00:34:17,829 --> 00:34:15,839
really crazy and uh cal could you tell

884
00:34:19,750 --> 00:34:17,839
us what the theory is and what you did

885
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:19,760
about this

886
00:34:24,550 --> 00:34:22,320
yeah what happened is um uh

887
00:34:27,030 --> 00:34:24,560
when my roswell book came out in 2000

888
00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:27,040
the paperback edition it was revised it

889
00:34:30,389 --> 00:34:28,480
was the first book

890
00:34:31,909 --> 00:34:30,399
to take out philip corso at that point

891
00:34:34,790 --> 00:34:31,919
because his book had come out after my

892
00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:34,800
original one in 97 so i walked away from

893
00:34:38,310 --> 00:34:36,000
roswell

894
00:34:40,069 --> 00:34:38,320
did journalism in many other areas i'm

895
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,079
in india at this time working at daily

896
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:42,800
post newspaper when all of a sudden uh

897
00:34:46,230 --> 00:34:44,079
the editor

898
00:34:48,389 --> 00:34:46,240
other editors are razzing me in the

899
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:48,399
newsroom saying huh look at you you

900
00:34:52,069 --> 00:34:50,159
americans again you got this roswell

901
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,079
thing going didn't you put didn't didn't

902
00:34:55,990 --> 00:34:54,480
you put that fire out you know when you

903
00:34:57,750 --> 00:34:56,000
were back there i said what are you

904
00:35:00,829 --> 00:34:57,760
talking about and they they show me the

905
00:35:03,030 --> 00:35:00,839
news that her book is number one on

906
00:35:04,950 --> 00:35:03,040
amazon and they're like you have to

907
00:35:06,310 --> 00:35:04,960
write a review of this

908
00:35:08,390 --> 00:35:06,320
because it must be true right it

909
00:35:10,710 --> 00:35:08,400
wouldn't be number one so i'm like okay

910
00:35:12,550 --> 00:35:10,720
great so i wrote this article

911
00:35:14,230 --> 00:35:12,560
it was actually published in the daily

912
00:35:16,390 --> 00:35:14,240
post newspaper now her book came out in

913
00:35:18,870 --> 00:35:16,400
may of 2011 and this slide you're going

914
00:35:20,870 --> 00:35:18,880
to get shows her book and my article

915
00:35:23,270 --> 00:35:20,880
from june 2011

916
00:35:24,630 --> 00:35:23,280
that appeared in daily post and script

917
00:35:26,230 --> 00:35:24,640
as well

918
00:35:28,630 --> 00:35:26,240
so it was a month later

919
00:35:30,710 --> 00:35:28,640
and it says exposed santa claus stalin

920
00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:30,720
nazi joseph bangla and the roswell ufo

921
00:35:34,310 --> 00:35:32,079
crash connection

922
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:34,320
and it begins with a poll quote from td

923
00:35:39,589 --> 00:35:37,040
barnes who was the head of the uh

924
00:35:41,270 --> 00:35:39,599
sr-71 group that she snookered

925
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:41,280
he says we were snookered by annie

926
00:35:47,750 --> 00:35:44,480
jacobson and he was mad that she put in

927
00:35:48,910 --> 00:35:47,760
this nonsense ufo stuff and basically uh

928
00:35:50,950 --> 00:35:48,920
pissed on their

929
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:50,960
autobiographical story which was very

930
00:35:56,470 --> 00:35:53,839
interesting should have stood on its own

931
00:35:58,870 --> 00:35:56,480
and annie jacobson was repeating a claim

932
00:36:01,910 --> 00:35:58,880
she says she was told

933
00:36:04,710 --> 00:36:01,920
that nazi angel of death joseph mengele

934
00:36:06,790 --> 00:36:04,720
had uh escaped and fled and helped the

935
00:36:09,190 --> 00:36:06,800
russians to alter children

936
00:36:12,550 --> 00:36:09,200
to put them in a uh

937
00:36:15,190 --> 00:36:12,560
recovered horton batwing aircraft

938
00:36:16,550 --> 00:36:15,200
secretly flown over 5 000 miles to the

939
00:36:22,230 --> 00:36:16,560
us

940
00:36:24,069 --> 00:36:22,240
orson welles tight panic more of the

941
00:36:25,829 --> 00:36:24,079
worlds type thing and it's complete

942
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,839
nonsense they might as well have said

943
00:36:31,270 --> 00:36:28,560
unicorns did it it's more credible

944
00:36:33,030 --> 00:36:31,280
so it was the most outlandish thing that

945
00:36:34,950 --> 00:36:33,040
i thought you know i'm not going to do

946
00:36:37,190 --> 00:36:34,960
anything about this because if anybody

947
00:36:38,870 --> 00:36:37,200
really believes this i can't help them

948
00:36:40,950 --> 00:36:38,880
as a human being

949
00:36:42,470 --> 00:36:40,960
they're hopeless but the craziest thing

950
00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:42,480
is this

951
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:45,040
ridiculous this ridiculous story helped

952
00:36:52,470 --> 00:36:50,310
put it on number one and the publisher

953
00:36:55,109 --> 00:36:52,480
knew this would happen they played this

954
00:36:57,109 --> 00:36:55,119
game before you know light years with

955
00:36:58,630 --> 00:36:57,119
gary kinder you know i know the inside

956
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,640
story about that there were three

957
00:37:01,270 --> 00:37:00,400
editors a couple letters that quit over

958
00:37:03,750 --> 00:37:01,280
that

959
00:37:05,670 --> 00:37:03,760
and uh so okay there it is so i released

960
00:37:06,710 --> 00:37:05,680
it and i thought okay it's

961
00:37:09,430 --> 00:37:06,720
dead

962
00:37:11,750 --> 00:37:09,440
but then you know it starts resurrecting

963
00:37:14,069 --> 00:37:11,760
again when this stuff with ttsa and all

964
00:37:16,470 --> 00:37:14,079
this other stuff comes up so now i did i

965
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:16,480
told rob mcconnell i said damn it i'm

966
00:37:20,310 --> 00:37:18,720
going to expand it to a book and i'll

967
00:37:23,510 --> 00:37:20,320
work with you to get on it because he

968
00:37:24,630 --> 00:37:23,520
had an interview with dr barnes where he

969
00:37:26,870 --> 00:37:24,640
does he

970
00:37:28,950 --> 00:37:26,880
talks about all this so i thought okay

971
00:37:31,190 --> 00:37:28,960
rob's got archive of nineteen thousand

972
00:37:32,790 --> 00:37:31,200
something shows let's pick the cases

973
00:37:35,349 --> 00:37:32,800
that we know about

974
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:35,359
we'll call a series ufology or euphulogy

975
00:37:39,109 --> 00:37:36,880
give it thumbs up or thumbs down like

976
00:37:41,109 --> 00:37:39,119
cisco and either type thing ufology

977
00:37:42,790 --> 00:37:41,119
being the scientific study of ufo

978
00:37:45,990 --> 00:37:42,800
reports not ufos because they won't

979
00:37:47,829 --> 00:37:46,000
cooperate but the data your euphology is

980
00:37:50,150 --> 00:37:47,839
when you make conclusions about ufos

981
00:37:51,589 --> 00:37:50,160
that are not supported by the data and

982
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:51,599
most people don't know the difference

983
00:37:57,030 --> 00:37:54,320
unfortunately in this field so each book

984
00:37:59,670 --> 00:37:57,040
has is about a case that is very famous

985
00:38:02,150 --> 00:37:59,680
ufology or euphology volumes one is

986
00:38:04,069 --> 00:38:02,160
annie jacobson i'm sending you all the

987
00:38:06,790 --> 00:38:04,079
slides of the chapters you can see how

988
00:38:08,550 --> 00:38:06,800
they are they're very visual

989
00:38:11,030 --> 00:38:08,560
i think data should look good as well as

990
00:38:13,109 --> 00:38:11,040
be interesting and there it's a whole

991
00:38:15,190 --> 00:38:13,119
new format of a thing i call a slide

992
00:38:17,109 --> 00:38:15,200
book because unfortunately we do live in

993
00:38:19,990 --> 00:38:17,119
the twitter

994
00:38:22,150 --> 00:38:20,000
edutainment type generation now

995
00:38:23,829 --> 00:38:22,160
attention span is everyone's attention

996
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,839
span is so low that i think you're doing

997
00:38:28,550 --> 00:38:25,760
the right thing other than just writing

998
00:38:30,390 --> 00:38:28,560
it all out in text and you know 100-page

999
00:38:32,630 --> 00:38:30,400
textbook you know

1000
00:38:34,790 --> 00:38:32,640
yeah that's now a vertical market it's

1001
00:38:37,030 --> 00:38:34,800
no longer the only game in town

1002
00:38:40,470 --> 00:38:37,040
so um these slide books will be

1003
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:40,480
available and uh they're anywhere from

1004
00:38:46,310 --> 00:38:43,520
around 100 to hopefully no more than 200

1005
00:38:47,829 --> 00:38:46,320
slides a lot of them sometimes add up

1006
00:38:50,069 --> 00:38:47,839
because it depends on how the grass go

1007
00:38:51,109 --> 00:38:50,079
there's animations in their links

1008
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,119
all kinds of stuff because it's

1009
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,040
multimedia and then there's links to

1010
00:38:55,990 --> 00:38:55,200
these shows that rob did so people can

1011
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:56,000
hear

1012
00:38:59,990 --> 00:38:57,760
what's going on as well

1013
00:39:01,430 --> 00:39:00,000
and then um

1014
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:01,440
again

1015
00:39:06,790 --> 00:39:04,000
eight years later after i thought i put

1016
00:39:08,230 --> 00:39:06,800
the fire out annie jacobson has new life

1017
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:08,240
again so that's why we're releasing the

1018
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:10,800
book annie jacobson's area 51 book

1019
00:39:14,470 --> 00:39:12,880
scandal and my biggest beef with what

1020
00:39:17,030 --> 00:39:14,480
she said was

1021
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:17,040
let's say that she really was told that

1022
00:39:21,510 --> 00:39:19,200
story and she's just reporting it she

1023
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:21,520
was irresponsible and i'm a journalist

1024
00:39:24,870 --> 00:39:22,320
too

1025
00:39:28,710 --> 00:39:24,880
because the doj report which was

1026
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:28,720
classified on mengela that proves how he

1027
00:39:34,230 --> 00:39:31,280
died they dug up his body the dna

1028
00:39:36,310 --> 00:39:34,240
analysis that you see that stuff on the

1029
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:36,320
cover of our new book

1030
00:39:39,910 --> 00:39:38,160
that was out there when she was told

1031
00:39:41,349 --> 00:39:39,920
this she should have stopped

1032
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:41,359
the guy right there and said not true

1033
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:43,760
can't be true here's why we know he was

1034
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,400
never working in russia he was never in

1035
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:48,400
custody of the russians all his

1036
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,000
whereabouts are accounted for including

1037
00:39:55,109 --> 00:39:52,000
his own diaries people who lived with

1038
00:39:56,870 --> 00:39:55,119
him hid him from authorities it's all

1039
00:39:58,710 --> 00:39:56,880
accounted for

1040
00:40:00,550 --> 00:39:58,720
damn it there's no excuse

1041
00:40:03,510 --> 00:40:00,560
and that's my biggest beef and then you

1042
00:40:04,950 --> 00:40:03,520
bring in the guy from the holocaust

1043
00:40:07,910 --> 00:40:04,960
what the hell why couldn't you pick

1044
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,920
somebody on a subject that's not so

1045
00:40:12,150 --> 00:40:09,040
sacred

1046
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:12,160
if we can't take the holocaust seriously

1047
00:40:16,870 --> 00:40:14,319
this this i remember thinking that when

1048
00:40:19,670 --> 00:40:16,880
i heard this story i remember thinking

1049
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:19,680
that it's really disrespectful to the to

1050
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,680
the holocaust survivors

1051
00:40:25,910 --> 00:40:23,680
to just jewish people in general to be

1052
00:40:28,150 --> 00:40:25,920
bringing that stuff back up

1053
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:28,160
and telling fairy tales with

1054
00:40:32,069 --> 00:40:29,200
you know

1055
00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:32,079
characters from history like that

1056
00:40:37,829 --> 00:40:34,960
yeah i agree and i'm jewish i i've heard

1057
00:40:41,109 --> 00:40:37,839
she's jewish but you know you just don't

1058
00:40:43,109 --> 00:40:41,119
do that and um you know

1059
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,119
so that's the issue i have with this and

1060
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,760
being the author of the best-selling

1061
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:47,599
expose of roswell one of the four

1062
00:40:52,309 --> 00:40:49,839
original roswell researchers i know damn

1063
00:40:54,710 --> 00:40:52,319
well that stalin and mengele were not

1064
00:40:57,829 --> 00:40:54,720
involved so don't tell me anything

1065
00:40:59,829 --> 00:40:57,839
different it's bs i gotta stop you i'm

1066
00:41:01,829 --> 00:40:59,839
not gonna tolerate it and i'm not gonna

1067
00:41:04,550 --> 00:41:01,839
be politically correct because you're

1068
00:41:07,750 --> 00:41:04,560
either lying or you really are ignorant

1069
00:41:10,309 --> 00:41:07,760
if you believe such bs and

1070
00:41:12,390 --> 00:41:10,319
bs is a polite term for it it's so

1071
00:41:15,589 --> 00:41:12,400
outrageous it's hard to find an

1072
00:41:18,230 --> 00:41:16,390
yeah

1073
00:41:20,230 --> 00:41:18,240
i remember i remember when i heard this

1074
00:41:22,790 --> 00:41:20,240
story and then and then i saw her book

1075
00:41:26,150 --> 00:41:22,800
shooting up selling and all her media

1076
00:41:28,710 --> 00:41:26,160
appearances i went i just you know it's

1077
00:41:30,069 --> 00:41:28,720
amazing to me that that happens

1078
00:41:32,550 --> 00:41:30,079
when it does

1079
00:41:34,230 --> 00:41:32,560
yeah because she's a politically correct

1080
00:41:37,190 --> 00:41:34,240
media darling you know it's really

1081
00:41:39,589 --> 00:41:37,200
disgraceful you know it it boils down to

1082
00:41:41,430 --> 00:41:39,599
what friedman warned me about as a kid

1083
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:41,440
and i thank him for saying this and he

1084
00:41:45,109 --> 00:41:43,440
said it many times it wasn't just to me

1085
00:41:46,870 --> 00:41:45,119
but friedman quoted

1086
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:46,880
you know the fame physicist max plank

1087
00:41:50,309 --> 00:41:48,400
and you've probably heard this before he

1088
00:41:52,710 --> 00:41:50,319
said essentially that new ideas come

1089
00:41:54,710 --> 00:41:52,720
into being not because people accept

1090
00:41:57,430 --> 00:41:54,720
them initially but because

1091
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:57,440
their opponents die and a new generation

1092
00:42:01,190 --> 00:41:59,760
is born accustomed to them so it's

1093
00:42:03,589 --> 00:42:01,200
basically saying we don't really grow up

1094
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:03,599
a mature we just kind of pick the path

1095
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,440
of least resistance or it's all good or

1096
00:42:10,470 --> 00:42:08,160
whatever and that's just deadly when a

1097
00:42:13,270 --> 00:42:10,480
society loses its ability to think

1098
00:42:15,750 --> 00:42:13,280
critically it implodes that's a fact it

1099
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:15,760
doesn't matter how great or powerful it

1100
00:42:19,990 --> 00:42:17,680
is because if you lose

1101
00:42:22,790 --> 00:42:20,000
if you mix fact and fiction

1102
00:42:24,870 --> 00:42:22,800
it's unhealthy and and it's that simple

1103
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:24,880
so in this series ufology of your

1104
00:42:28,950 --> 00:42:26,400
theology the first two editions are

1105
00:42:31,430 --> 00:42:28,960
going to launch on november 22nd both

1106
00:42:34,550 --> 00:42:31,440
annie jacobson and the zeta reticuli

1107
00:42:35,510 --> 00:42:34,560
conspiracy i hope mr zabel will get a

1108
00:42:37,829 --> 00:42:35,520
clue

1109
00:42:40,069 --> 00:42:37,839
stop misusing the word debunker speak

1110
00:42:41,510 --> 00:42:40,079
proper english in that sense and not

1111
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:41,520
produce a movie if he's still going to

1112
00:42:46,630 --> 00:42:44,319
do there that is basically going to lie

1113
00:42:49,430 --> 00:42:46,640
to the people now that he knows the

1114
00:42:51,990 --> 00:42:49,440
truth it's up to him to either accept it

1115
00:42:54,309 --> 00:42:52,000
or deny it in each book on this series

1116
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:54,319
there's a bookshelf built in that you

1117
00:42:58,710 --> 00:42:56,000
can link to the other books in the

1118
00:43:00,230 --> 00:42:58,720
series as they will come out so there's

1119
00:43:03,030 --> 00:43:00,240
a slide where you'll see six on a

1120
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:03,040
bookshelf i reveal the first two

1121
00:43:08,309 --> 00:43:05,839
fake ships is another one coming revised

1122
00:43:11,430 --> 00:43:08,319
meyer one uh and of course we've got

1123
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:11,440
that nail cold so um i'm really excited

1124
00:43:15,510 --> 00:43:13,440
about this once they're out there on the

1125
00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:15,520
internet this will allow people to

1126
00:43:18,950 --> 00:43:17,040
search

1127
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:18,960
find the truth and then i that that's

1128
00:43:22,710 --> 00:43:21,280
all i can do you know uh but right now

1129
00:43:25,030 --> 00:43:22,720
we're not there and that's why i want to

1130
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:25,040
get there and that's why this project is

1131
00:43:30,150 --> 00:43:28,000
there and i'm excited about it well cal

1132
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:30,160
we were talking earlier about these arts

1133
00:43:34,950 --> 00:43:32,960
parts and for for the benefit of my

1134
00:43:38,390 --> 00:43:34,960
listeners who have asked me many times

1135
00:43:40,710 --> 00:43:38,400
about these ttsa parts which happen to

1136
00:43:42,630 --> 00:43:40,720
come from arts parts and linda molten

1137
00:43:45,990 --> 00:43:42,640
howe

1138
00:43:48,950 --> 00:43:46,000
you know a lot of my listeners uh

1139
00:43:51,430 --> 00:43:48,960
are curious about this ttsa claim

1140
00:43:54,710 --> 00:43:51,440
because they basically claimed we have

1141
00:43:56,630 --> 00:43:54,720
so-called alien materials or you know

1142
00:43:58,150 --> 00:43:56,640
they kind of danced around just saying

1143
00:44:00,150 --> 00:43:58,160
they were alien materials but that's

1144
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:00,160
what they're implying and then they're

1145
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,079
taking investment from the public and

1146
00:44:08,870 --> 00:44:06,319
it doesn't look good to me that the

1147
00:44:11,430 --> 00:44:08,880
stuff they were claiming was stuff from

1148
00:44:14,470 --> 00:44:11,440
linda moulton hal

1149
00:44:17,829 --> 00:44:14,480
also known as arts parts

1150
00:44:20,150 --> 00:44:17,839
yeah definitely because um and it's not

1151
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,160
my original research

1152
00:44:23,670 --> 00:44:22,560
what happened is when i was working on

1153
00:44:26,710 --> 00:44:23,680
the um

1154
00:44:29,829 --> 00:44:26,720
roswell book uh before that actually

1155
00:44:31,589 --> 00:44:29,839
arts parts happened okay because it was

1156
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:31,599
predictable

1157
00:44:35,589 --> 00:44:33,680
that close to the anniversary these

1158
00:44:37,829 --> 00:44:35,599
things would pop up just like you know

1159
00:44:40,870 --> 00:44:37,839
these grassy no eyewitnesses and others

1160
00:44:43,510 --> 00:44:40,880
tend to pop up around the anniversaries

1161
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:43,520
and what happened is um

1162
00:44:46,550 --> 00:44:45,760
excuse me the um

1163
00:44:48,230 --> 00:44:46,560
i

1164
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:48,240
found out

1165
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:51,440
read the lab report on arts parts which

1166
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,680
bell had published back then by the way

1167
00:44:56,950 --> 00:44:55,520
and i listened to the broadcasts got

1168
00:44:59,589 --> 00:44:56,960
them all you could easily get them back

1169
00:45:01,589 --> 00:44:59,599
then now they're selective my debate

1170
00:45:03,589 --> 00:45:01,599
with jim delatoso where i kicked his you

1171
00:45:06,069 --> 00:45:03,599
know what narc bell took my

1172
00:45:08,550 --> 00:45:06,079
which was three and a half hours long

1173
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,560
the live credibility poll in that debate

1174
00:45:12,550 --> 00:45:10,480
which measured me as eighty-one percent

1175
00:45:14,870 --> 00:45:12,560
winner nine percent for della tulsa nine

1176
00:45:17,109 --> 00:45:14,880
percent undecided that's hard to find

1177
00:45:19,270 --> 00:45:17,119
because it goes against the desired

1178
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:19,280
narrative of these money-making con

1179
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,839
artists out there who promote ufo frauds

1180
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:24,160
so in my book there's a section on the

1181
00:45:28,230 --> 00:45:26,160
roswell physical evidence

1182
00:45:29,990 --> 00:45:28,240
and it says it doesn't exist and here's

1183
00:45:32,309 --> 00:45:30,000
why and here are the most famous cases

1184
00:45:34,309 --> 00:45:32,319
out there that claim to be including

1185
00:45:36,870 --> 00:45:34,319
arts parts so i published both the

1186
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:36,880
letters from the bozo who did it the lab

1187
00:45:41,990 --> 00:45:40,079
analysis stuff was cited and summarized

1188
00:45:44,309 --> 00:45:42,000
linda moulton howe is mentioned in there

1189
00:45:46,230 --> 00:45:44,319
and what she did and they went over this

1190
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:46,240
stuff and those episodes all magically

1191
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:47,920
just aren't all there i don't know where

1192
00:45:53,510 --> 00:45:49,920
they are they used to all be there

1193
00:45:55,750 --> 00:45:53,520
there's also there's also a sort of uh

1194
00:45:57,510 --> 00:45:55,760
one story that is kind of out there is

1195
00:45:59,670 --> 00:45:57,520
that linda mullen hal

1196
00:46:03,270 --> 00:45:59,680
you know hires a scientist didn't like

1197
00:46:05,109 --> 00:46:03,280
what he had to say so she kept going

1198
00:46:07,109 --> 00:46:05,119
in other words the first guy

1199
00:46:09,349 --> 00:46:07,119
from a report that i read the first guy

1200
00:46:11,270 --> 00:46:09,359
was like these are earthly materials

1201
00:46:13,030 --> 00:46:11,280
there's nothing you know there's nothing

1202
00:46:14,630 --> 00:46:13,040
extraordinary about them and yes i can

1203
00:46:16,630 --> 00:46:14,640
duplicate them but she didn't like the

1204
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:16,640
way it looked when he duplicated them it

1205
00:46:22,630 --> 00:46:19,440
wasn't quite exactly you know so

1206
00:46:26,550 --> 00:46:22,640
suddenly uh it's still from aliens and

1207
00:46:28,790 --> 00:46:26,560
she went on to promote this for years

1208
00:46:30,710 --> 00:46:28,800
selling this story that these were alien

1209
00:46:33,349 --> 00:46:30,720
materials

1210
00:46:34,950 --> 00:46:33,359
yeah linda molten howe in my mind and

1211
00:46:36,630 --> 00:46:34,960
i've said this going back to when i used

1212
00:46:38,790 --> 00:46:36,640
to talk about her on laura lee's show in

1213
00:46:41,270 --> 00:46:38,800
the 1990s on my tours

1214
00:46:44,630 --> 00:46:41,280
she has no credibility in my mind

1215
00:46:46,309 --> 00:46:44,640
i am the author of the secret fbi cattle

1216
00:46:48,710 --> 00:46:46,319
mutilation files

1217
00:46:51,589 --> 00:46:48,720
and i published the fbi investigation

1218
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,599
file on that as well as summaries of the

1219
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:54,240
local report by the actual investigator

1220
00:46:59,349 --> 00:46:57,760
who led the largest fbi investigation

1221
00:47:01,430 --> 00:46:59,359
a lot of what linda moulton house said

1222
00:47:03,349 --> 00:47:01,440
about that was just not true especially

1223
00:47:05,910 --> 00:47:03,359
about you know evidence of you know

1224
00:47:07,510 --> 00:47:05,920
precise surgery and uh you know you

1225
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:07,520
can't say that unless you've done the

1226
00:47:13,750 --> 00:47:10,720
kind of examinations forensically to say

1227
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,760
it was precise laser type surgery

1228
00:47:16,870 --> 00:47:15,200
there's a difference between saying it

1229
00:47:19,030 --> 00:47:16,880
looks like a laser was used versus

1230
00:47:21,109 --> 00:47:19,040
saying here's evidence one was actually

1231
00:47:22,309 --> 00:47:21,119
used and what happened and i showed this

1232
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,319
in the book

1233
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:25,359
back in 97 and i cite the summary of the

1234
00:47:31,510 --> 00:47:29,280
analysis of the um uh our arts parts i

1235
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:31,520
list the elements there and it says very

1236
00:47:35,990 --> 00:47:34,160
clearly that nothing unearthly was found

1237
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:36,000
and yeah she didn't like that but too

1238
00:47:38,790 --> 00:47:37,040
bad

1239
00:47:41,430 --> 00:47:38,800
you don't reject facts just because you

1240
00:47:43,510 --> 00:47:41,440
don't like them facts are facts and so

1241
00:47:45,349 --> 00:47:43,520
she can say she went off and got a

1242
00:47:47,829 --> 00:47:45,359
different analysis and found something

1243
00:47:49,829 --> 00:47:47,839
else but i'll tell you right now it

1244
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:49,839
can't be reproduced under scientifically

1245
00:47:54,790 --> 00:47:51,520
controlled conditions because the claim

1246
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:54,800
is not true it's bs and if linda molten

1247
00:47:59,109 --> 00:47:56,960
howe says i'm not telling truth or i'm

1248
00:48:01,829 --> 00:47:59,119
defaming or whatever then fine let's

1249
00:48:03,589 --> 00:48:01,839
i'll go and and prove it in you know

1250
00:48:05,349 --> 00:48:03,599
some controlled scientific thing or in

1251
00:48:07,030 --> 00:48:05,359
court i don't care because it isn't

1252
00:48:08,790 --> 00:48:07,040
going to work and that's the thing here

1253
00:48:11,670 --> 00:48:08,800
these people cannot afford to be put

1254
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:11,680
under oath or under a condition or an

1255
00:48:16,069 --> 00:48:13,920
environment where the truth comes out

1256
00:48:18,470 --> 00:48:16,079
and they can't lie their way out of it

1257
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:18,480
there's no excuse for investor money to

1258
00:48:20,390 --> 00:48:19,680
be wasted

1259
00:48:22,870 --> 00:48:20,400
on

1260
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:22,880
arts parts and it's a valid complaint

1261
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,359
with the sec over this

1262
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:28,079
yeah i you know i kind of like where i'm

1263
00:48:31,190 --> 00:48:29,760
at with her is you know people don't

1264
00:48:33,190 --> 00:48:31,200
want me to say

1265
00:48:36,150 --> 00:48:33,200
people don't want you to say something

1266
00:48:38,069 --> 00:48:36,160
negative about her but you know

1267
00:48:40,790 --> 00:48:38,079
cards on the table like this doesn't

1268
00:48:42,630 --> 00:48:40,800
look good and i think people deserve the

1269
00:48:44,230 --> 00:48:42,640
truth regardless even if it's an ugly

1270
00:48:46,390 --> 00:48:44,240
truth what's that saying i'd rather get

1271
00:48:48,390 --> 00:48:46,400
smacked in the face with the truth

1272
00:48:49,750 --> 00:48:48,400
than kissed with a lie

1273
00:48:51,910 --> 00:48:49,760
yeah it's true that should be the

1274
00:48:54,069 --> 00:48:51,920
attitude but let me tell you what i i

1275
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:54,079
shared with my readers in my roswell

1276
00:48:57,190 --> 00:48:55,119
book i

1277
00:48:59,910 --> 00:48:57,200
there's a a note near the bottom of the

1278
00:49:02,309 --> 00:48:59,920
page in the arts parts section

1279
00:49:04,069 --> 00:49:02,319
i noted that linda moulton howe had come

1280
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:04,079
up to me at a mufon meeting and this is

1281
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:06,400
why i was a surprise mystery guest

1282
00:49:11,190 --> 00:49:08,640
brought in by walt anders to announce

1283
00:49:13,670 --> 00:49:11,200
that i'd gone undercover to expose meyer

1284
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,680
he's busted etc showed the undercover

1285
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,520
footage for the first time where the

1286
00:49:19,430 --> 00:49:17,359
tree had disappeared that it could never

1287
00:49:20,470 --> 00:49:19,440
have been there etc this was all shown

1288
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:20,480
there

1289
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:22,319
she comes up to me and she says you know

1290
00:49:25,270 --> 00:49:24,240
you shouldn't be so hard on meyer

1291
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,280
because

1292
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:27,200
um you know

1293
00:49:31,750 --> 00:49:30,079
some of it has to be true and i'm like i

1294
00:49:33,270 --> 00:49:31,760
asked her and i put this in the book i

1295
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:33,280
asked her i said have you ever

1296
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,079
investigated this case firsthand no

1297
00:49:41,589 --> 00:49:38,319
have you ever been to switzerland

1298
00:49:43,349 --> 00:49:41,599
firsthand to study the case yourself no

1299
00:49:44,710 --> 00:49:43,359
okay well until you do there's nothing

1300
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:44,720
to discuss

1301
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:46,240
she's a complete

1302
00:49:51,910 --> 00:49:48,720
i'm sorry i call him helium worshipers

1303
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,920
she's what i call a ufo believer and let

1304
00:49:55,750 --> 00:49:54,000
me let me prove real quickly how screwed

1305
00:49:58,069 --> 00:49:55,760
up some of the leading lights are in

1306
00:49:59,510 --> 00:49:58,079
this field like ufo jesus and you know

1307
00:50:01,510 --> 00:49:59,520
deep rashad

1308
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,520
i called them ufo believers the other

1309
00:50:06,630 --> 00:50:04,240
day i made up that term capital b

1310
00:50:09,990 --> 00:50:06,640
you know e-l-i-e-b-e-r i got it from

1311
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:10,000
justin beliebers right and they said oh

1312
00:50:16,549 --> 00:50:13,520
it's ufo people who like justin

1313
00:50:18,549 --> 00:50:16,559
bieber it's like you morons no

1314
00:50:20,870 --> 00:50:18,559
it doesn't mean that a believer is

1315
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:20,880
somebody that no matter what justin

1316
00:50:24,069 --> 00:50:22,559
bieber does it's all good when he

1317
00:50:25,030 --> 00:50:24,079
urinates in public that's fine he's

1318
00:50:28,150 --> 00:50:25,040
justin

1319
00:50:30,549 --> 00:50:28,160
so ufo believers as long as it's aliens

1320
00:50:33,109 --> 00:50:30,559
it's all good even if a case is a hoax

1321
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:33,119
and tic tacs turn out to be secret navy

1322
00:50:37,829 --> 00:50:35,920
military stuff it's okay because there's

1323
00:50:40,069 --> 00:50:37,839
still disclosure coming in other words

1324
00:50:42,230 --> 00:50:40,079
they're basically religious extremists

1325
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:42,240
no matter what you do or say it's all

1326
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:44,640
aliens they are believers so i'm going

1327
00:50:49,270 --> 00:50:47,359
to drive home these terms so that people

1328
00:50:50,470 --> 00:50:49,280
hopefully start waking up it's blunt

1329
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:50,480
talk but

1330
00:50:54,630 --> 00:50:52,160
it's got to be done we've reached that

1331
00:50:57,430 --> 00:50:54,640
point

1332
00:50:59,990 --> 00:50:57,440
so yeah where do you see things going

1333
00:51:01,750 --> 00:51:00,000
next with ttsa

1334
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:01,760
because i think that

1335
00:51:05,109 --> 00:51:03,760
one of the biggest one of the most

1336
00:51:08,710 --> 00:51:05,119
amount of questions i get from my

1337
00:51:10,470 --> 00:51:08,720
listeners is always about ttsa yeah i

1338
00:51:11,589 --> 00:51:10,480
try to look into them with my limited

1339
00:51:13,510 --> 00:51:11,599
skills

1340
00:51:15,750 --> 00:51:13,520
the financial end of it looks like a

1341
00:51:17,430 --> 00:51:15,760
nightmare to me

1342
00:51:19,349 --> 00:51:17,440
the balance sheets where's the money

1343
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:19,359
coming from

1344
00:51:23,750 --> 00:51:21,839
nothing looks

1345
00:51:26,309 --> 00:51:23,760
and then we have this arts parts on top

1346
00:51:28,150 --> 00:51:26,319
of it they're trying to push that

1347
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,160
that does not look good but where do you

1348
00:51:32,230 --> 00:51:29,920
see this ttsa thing going because it

1349
00:51:35,190 --> 00:51:32,240
just seems like they they make a lot of

1350
00:51:37,510 --> 00:51:35,200
noise and never deliver anything

1351
00:51:40,390 --> 00:51:37,520
well they don't because it's a pump and

1352
00:51:42,870 --> 00:51:40,400
dump scheme and scam techno scam i've

1353
00:51:43,910 --> 00:51:42,880
said that i think i can support it with

1354
00:51:46,309 --> 00:51:43,920
facts

1355
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:46,319
if they think i'm not telling the truth

1356
00:51:51,190 --> 00:51:48,640
then let's put everybody under oath and

1357
00:51:54,150 --> 00:51:51,200
penalty perjury and sort it out i can

1358
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:54,160
tell you what i know is going on i can't

1359
00:51:57,829 --> 00:51:56,240
tell you what the final outcome is going

1360
00:51:59,589 --> 00:51:57,839
to be but

1361
00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:59,599
i have first-hand knowledge of this just

1362
00:52:04,549 --> 00:52:01,920
like i have first-hand knowledge of the

1363
00:52:07,109 --> 00:52:04,559
caveat stuff i have seen actual

1364
00:52:09,109 --> 00:52:07,119
documents being prepared i know who some

1365
00:52:11,190 --> 00:52:09,119
of the whistleblowers are in this

1366
00:52:13,030 --> 00:52:11,200
and basically what i've been able to

1367
00:52:15,829 --> 00:52:13,040
show and it's why the article i

1368
00:52:18,870 --> 00:52:15,839
published about harry reid and achivia's

1369
00:52:20,069 --> 00:52:18,880
lawsuit mentioned both uh several months

1370
00:52:23,589 --> 00:52:20,079
ago

1371
00:52:25,829 --> 00:52:23,599
there is a connection between basically

1372
00:52:27,349 --> 00:52:25,839
three techno scams and this is one of

1373
00:52:30,870 --> 00:52:27,359
the slides you're getting it's called

1374
00:52:33,349 --> 00:52:30,880
exposed anatomy anatomy of three pillar

1375
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:33,359
techno scams there's three pillar techno

1376
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:38,000
scams atip internasa and ttsa okay

1377
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:41,119
now atip is the older one

1378
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:43,119
in that that was started by harry reid

1379
00:52:47,910 --> 00:52:44,839
and that was a complete

1380
00:52:50,150 --> 00:52:47,920
fraud the very idea that you could give

1381
00:52:52,710 --> 00:52:50,160
a hotel chain owner

1382
00:52:54,150 --> 00:52:52,720
um 22 million so that he could tell the

1383
00:52:55,589 --> 00:52:54,160
government what it doesn't already know

1384
00:52:57,190 --> 00:52:55,599
about ufos

1385
00:52:59,750 --> 00:52:57,200
my god they should have built a highway

1386
00:53:00,950 --> 00:52:59,760
or freeway and parked it that way

1387
00:53:03,430 --> 00:53:00,960
instead

1388
00:53:06,710 --> 00:53:03,440
we have inside information now from a

1389
00:53:10,309 --> 00:53:06,720
whistleblower who swears

1390
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:10,319
that harry reid took that money

1391
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:12,800
and set it up and and got it after he

1392
00:53:17,190 --> 00:53:15,119
got out of politics

1393
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:17,200
he talks about harry reid being

1394
00:53:21,030 --> 00:53:18,880
connected well

1395
00:53:24,630 --> 00:53:21,040
let's let's stop just for the sake of

1396
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:24,640
clarity so you you have a source that is

1397
00:53:28,150 --> 00:53:25,599
uh

1398
00:53:31,829 --> 00:53:28,160
close to this stuff who is telling you

1399
00:53:34,870 --> 00:53:31,839
that harry reid is involved with

1400
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:34,880
some kind of a scam to get the 22

1401
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:37,200
million back to him

1402
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:38,720
well

1403
00:53:45,270 --> 00:53:41,599
what happened is this

1404
00:53:47,829 --> 00:53:45,280
i can only quote this whistleblower and

1405
00:53:49,990 --> 00:53:47,839
because these allegations are above my

1406
00:53:52,069 --> 00:53:50,000
pay grade now i'm not going to use that

1407
00:53:53,270 --> 00:53:52,079
in the modern politically correct term

1408
00:53:56,710 --> 00:53:53,280
meaning

1409
00:53:58,790 --> 00:53:56,720
when i have as an investigator as a

1410
00:54:00,710 --> 00:53:58,800
journalist

1411
00:54:02,470 --> 00:54:00,720
there are times where i get information

1412
00:54:03,910 --> 00:54:02,480
which i have to turn it over to the

1413
00:54:06,150 --> 00:54:03,920
authorities because it's the right thing

1414
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,160
to do and i end up not writing about it

1415
00:54:10,390 --> 00:54:08,480
or maybe i wait until they figure out

1416
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:10,400
whatever is either true or not true

1417
00:54:13,510 --> 00:54:11,839
sometimes i get to write about it and

1418
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:13,520
leave out certain things that was

1419
00:54:16,470 --> 00:54:14,880
especially true in india when there

1420
00:54:18,069 --> 00:54:16,480
would be certain things like terrorist

1421
00:54:19,589 --> 00:54:18,079
attacks uh when there was a gerdespur

1422
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:19,599
attack there's a whole lot i couldn't

1423
00:54:22,710 --> 00:54:20,480
say

1424
00:54:24,309 --> 00:54:22,720
although i wish i i was able to because

1425
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,319
you know i think we could have learned

1426
00:54:28,950 --> 00:54:26,720
from that debacle over there another

1427
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:28,960
story it was a full page special people

1428
00:54:33,589 --> 00:54:32,400
can chase it down in daily uh post news

1429
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:33,599
newspaper

1430
00:54:38,789 --> 00:54:36,000
so make a long story short

1431
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:38,799
one of the whistleblowers on atip

1432
00:54:44,150 --> 00:54:41,680
who identified the involvement of putoff

1433
00:54:47,990 --> 00:54:44,160
and laid out how bigelow got involved

1434
00:54:49,829 --> 00:54:48,000
what harry reid did this individual says

1435
00:54:50,829 --> 00:54:49,839
that harry reid got a piece of that

1436
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:50,839
money

1437
00:54:57,030 --> 00:54:54,960
okay so when i got that intelligence

1438
00:54:58,549 --> 00:54:57,040
that tip that insider stuff with

1439
00:55:00,630 --> 00:54:58,559
documentation

1440
00:55:01,990 --> 00:55:00,640
either the person is telling the truth

1441
00:55:04,230 --> 00:55:02,000
or they're not

1442
00:55:06,789 --> 00:55:04,240
i don't know i can't go to harry reid

1443
00:55:10,069 --> 00:55:06,799
and say hey harry tell me the truth here

1444
00:55:11,670 --> 00:55:10,079
no i can't i can ask him

1445
00:55:14,150 --> 00:55:11,680
i can't assume he's going to tell me the

1446
00:55:15,829 --> 00:55:14,160
truth so what i did instead

1447
00:55:18,950 --> 00:55:15,839
is i put together

1448
00:55:20,870 --> 00:55:18,960
a presentation like these slides you're

1449
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:20,880
getting and i'm showing you one of them

1450
00:55:26,390 --> 00:55:23,040
i'm sending you one of them where i have

1451
00:55:28,789 --> 00:55:26,400
briefed various entities in dc and on

1452
00:55:32,309 --> 00:55:28,799
the east coast three letter agencies

1453
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,319
on this data that has been given to me

1454
00:55:36,950 --> 00:55:34,799
by everybody from the whistle-blowers

1455
00:55:38,069 --> 00:55:36,960
connected with the caveat lawsuit

1456
00:55:39,349 --> 00:55:38,079
to

1457
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:39,359
atip

1458
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:43,599
technoscam to enter nasa to ttsa

1459
00:55:48,470 --> 00:55:46,559
because ttsa has made materially false

1460
00:55:49,990 --> 00:55:48,480
claims and i'm sending you a couple of

1461
00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:50,000
slides here

1462
00:55:53,829 --> 00:55:51,680
one of which shows

1463
00:55:55,589 --> 00:55:53,839
it mentions here that i'll read it in

1464
00:55:57,349 --> 00:55:55,599
early 2009 investigators and

1465
00:55:59,589 --> 00:55:57,359
whistleblowers contacted government

1466
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:59,599
entities in california to report ttsa in

1467
00:56:03,510 --> 00:56:01,280
various individuals

1468
00:56:05,670 --> 00:56:03,520
in 2020 the first documents detailing

1469
00:56:07,270 --> 00:56:05,680
these actions will be released what that

1470
00:56:10,230 --> 00:56:07,280
means is

1471
00:56:12,150 --> 00:56:10,240
the first pushback or here's what we're

1472
00:56:14,230 --> 00:56:12,160
going to do or not do from these

1473
00:56:15,670 --> 00:56:14,240
entities back in dc will come out and

1474
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,680
the public will start to know either

1475
00:56:19,670 --> 00:56:17,839
there's something or not whistleblowers

1476
00:56:21,109 --> 00:56:19,680
telling the truth or not looking into it

1477
00:56:23,030 --> 00:56:21,119
or not

1478
00:56:25,670 --> 00:56:23,040
a couple of the claims being looked at

1479
00:56:27,510 --> 00:56:25,680
chased down was this demonstrably

1480
00:56:31,670 --> 00:56:27,520
materially false claim that was brought

1481
00:56:34,309 --> 00:56:31,680
to the sec's attention quote by this

1482
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:34,319
ttsa co-founder lou elizondo quote for

1483
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:37,040
nearly the next decade i ran sensitive

1484
00:56:41,349 --> 00:56:39,520
aerospace identification program

1485
00:56:43,670 --> 00:56:41,359
focusing on unidentified aerial

1486
00:56:45,190 --> 00:56:43,680
technologies that was in this position

1487
00:56:47,270 --> 00:56:45,200
that i learned that the phenomenon

1488
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:47,280
aliens is indeed real

1489
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,040
claims lou elizondo a career

1490
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:51,200
intelligence officer who says he led

1491
00:56:55,030 --> 00:56:53,280
reid's pentagon ufo program

1492
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:55,040
that is not true

1493
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:59,359
he did not do that it is no question

1494
00:57:04,789 --> 00:57:02,400
and yet investors were told that

1495
00:57:06,549 --> 00:57:04,799
that is against the law

1496
00:57:10,710 --> 00:57:06,559
there's a part here on arts parts

1497
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,720
pointing out that art said he was hoaxed

1498
00:57:16,309 --> 00:57:12,880
end of discussion it's back there from

1499
00:57:18,230 --> 00:57:16,319
the 90s you can't take it out of history

1500
00:57:21,349 --> 00:57:18,240
all right there's another one here

1501
00:57:23,990 --> 00:57:21,359
that uh you know um

1502
00:57:26,150 --> 00:57:24,000
mentions that they provided uh insider

1503
00:57:28,549 --> 00:57:26,160
information and whistleblowers to these

1504
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:28,559
agencies this includes cia includes

1505
00:57:34,470 --> 00:57:32,000
pentagon includes dod includes sec

1506
00:57:36,630 --> 00:57:34,480
so we're going to find out the truth

1507
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:36,640
because there are recordings

1508
00:57:41,190 --> 00:57:38,640
of these allegations and confessions and

1509
00:57:43,190 --> 00:57:41,200
admissions there's emails i have seen

1510
00:57:44,390 --> 00:57:43,200
this i've got copies of them i'm not the

1511
00:57:47,349 --> 00:57:44,400
only ones

1512
00:57:48,789 --> 00:57:47,359
now people in dc have them

1513
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:48,799
and this is going to get very

1514
00:57:52,470 --> 00:57:50,319
interesting we will be able to separate

1515
00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:52,480
the signal from the noise

1516
00:57:57,270 --> 00:57:54,720
to what degree i don't know i just know

1517
00:58:00,230 --> 00:57:57,280
it's coming and i have to laugh and just

1518
00:58:03,750 --> 00:58:00,240
shake my head at these fanboys who claim

1519
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:03,760
it's not i have even seen the draft

1520
00:58:10,150 --> 00:58:06,960
documents of the pending complaint

1521
00:58:12,470 --> 00:58:10,160
that's going to be sent to ttsa

1522
00:58:15,430 --> 00:58:12,480
that's going to give them essentially 45

1523
00:58:17,910 --> 00:58:15,440
days to respond to the complaint or it

1524
00:58:21,190 --> 00:58:17,920
gets escalated and it points out some

1525
00:58:23,349 --> 00:58:21,200
very specific materially false claims

1526
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:23,359
that they either have to prove

1527
00:58:25,670 --> 00:58:24,240
or

1528
00:58:27,829 --> 00:58:25,680
they got to change something and then it

1529
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,839
gets interesting

1530
00:58:30,630 --> 00:58:29,520
again it's there

1531
00:58:32,630 --> 00:58:30,640
yeah so

1532
00:58:33,430 --> 00:58:32,640
it's it's just really interesting to me

1533
00:58:34,870 --> 00:58:33,440
that

1534
00:58:36,630 --> 00:58:34,880
now there's finally going to be some

1535
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:36,640
kind of pushback from all of this stuff

1536
00:58:39,270 --> 00:58:37,440
because

1537
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:39,280
i got to tell you that when i started

1538
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:41,119
hearing some of this stuff

1539
00:58:46,549 --> 00:58:44,480
that they were claiming or implying and

1540
00:58:47,990 --> 00:58:46,559
they're taking public investor money at

1541
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:48,000
the same time

1542
00:58:51,270 --> 00:58:49,280
it just

1543
00:58:52,870 --> 00:58:51,280
i did seem like they're at like the wild

1544
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:52,880
west out there just doing whatever they

1545
00:58:56,870 --> 00:58:55,040
want saying whatever they want get that

1546
00:58:59,349 --> 00:58:56,880
money coming in

1547
00:59:01,589 --> 00:58:59,359
by any means necessary and i'd like

1548
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:01,599
this can't be legal all of this stuff

1549
00:59:04,870 --> 00:59:03,119
that they're doing

1550
00:59:06,390 --> 00:59:04,880
well it's not legal if it's not true it

1551
00:59:07,990 --> 00:59:06,400
doesn't matter what the subject is but

1552
00:59:11,270 --> 00:59:08,000
what happened is

1553
00:59:12,390 --> 00:59:11,280
because of a loophole that existed in

1554
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:12,400
the laws

1555
00:59:19,510 --> 00:59:16,240
pump and dump scams started to escalate

1556
00:59:21,750 --> 00:59:19,520
and they could uh be um you know uh in

1557
00:59:23,990 --> 00:59:21,760
frivolous areas and of course frivolous

1558
00:59:26,230 --> 00:59:24,000
areas are either striking rich or don't

1559
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,240
get rich at all most hoaxers don't make

1560
00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:28,559
money in the ufo field most psychics

1561
00:59:31,510 --> 00:59:29,839
don't make a lot of money but there are

1562
00:59:34,870 --> 00:59:31,520
some mega ones of course and their

1563
00:59:38,470 --> 00:59:34,880
frauds but so what happened is um

1564
00:59:40,309 --> 00:59:38,480
uh the sec held some hearings courtesy

1565
00:59:42,230 --> 00:59:40,319
of some congressmen who had also been

1566
00:59:45,190 --> 00:59:42,240
concerned about this issue they have

1567
00:59:49,109 --> 00:59:45,200
come forth one of them is in ohio

1568
00:59:51,829 --> 00:59:49,119
and um they specifically cited ttsa as

1569
00:59:55,109 --> 00:59:51,839
an example of the anti-gravity company

1570
00:59:56,710 --> 00:59:55,119
and you know time travel and ufos as a

1571
00:59:58,950 --> 00:59:56,720
means of raising money and being able to

1572
01:00:01,829 --> 00:59:58,960
take advantage of people they wanted to

1573
01:00:03,829 --> 01:00:01,839
change the laws so that the reporting

1574
01:00:05,510 --> 01:00:03,839
requirements would be higher while

1575
01:00:07,510 --> 01:00:05,520
lobbyists were trying to push that

1576
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:07,520
they'd be more loose

1577
01:00:12,549 --> 01:00:10,799
so that issue with these representatives

1578
01:00:15,030 --> 01:00:12,559
through their offices

1579
01:00:16,630 --> 01:00:15,040
after the recess after the end of this

1580
01:00:19,910 --> 01:00:16,640
year basically we have to wait after the

1581
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:19,920
impeachment and uh thanksgiving and uh

1582
01:00:23,910 --> 01:00:22,240
essentially the christmas recess is over

1583
01:00:24,950 --> 01:00:23,920
the government really shuts down very

1584
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:24,960
soon

1585
01:00:29,270 --> 01:00:26,559
none of this is going to continue on

1586
01:00:31,349 --> 01:00:29,280
that front until after they reopen in

1587
01:00:33,589 --> 01:00:31,359
january it's just physics we can't speed

1588
01:00:35,589 --> 01:00:33,599
it up and what's going to come to a head

1589
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:35,599
is the issue of

1590
01:00:39,910 --> 01:00:37,440
um there are

1591
01:00:41,670 --> 01:00:39,920
other statutes that potentially apply

1592
01:00:43,510 --> 01:00:41,680
here and i didn't know this clause

1593
01:00:45,430 --> 01:00:43,520
existed until i saw the drafts of the

1594
01:00:48,630 --> 01:00:45,440
legal documents

1595
01:00:50,470 --> 01:00:48,640
there is a thing called the uh empathy

1596
01:00:52,789 --> 01:00:50,480
laws or empathy clause

1597
01:00:54,630 --> 01:00:52,799
basically what those cover are groups of

1598
01:00:56,150 --> 01:00:54,640
people that are especially vulnerable

1599
01:00:58,309 --> 01:00:56,160
and again i didn't know this existed but

1600
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:58,319
i'm glad it does these will be senior

1601
01:01:03,190 --> 01:01:00,720
citizens these would be people with uh

1602
01:01:05,349 --> 01:01:03,200
mental or physical handicaps these would

1603
01:01:06,870 --> 01:01:05,359
be people who believe in religious

1604
01:01:09,349 --> 01:01:06,880
things or superstitious things or

1605
01:01:12,549 --> 01:01:09,359
paranormal things where they're going to

1606
01:01:14,390 --> 01:01:12,559
be predisposed to wanting the last nail

1607
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:14,400
that was put in jesus's hands at the

1608
01:01:18,950 --> 01:01:16,400
crucifixion that was found in an

1609
01:01:21,430 --> 01:01:18,960
archaeological site here it is for 5.99

1610
01:01:22,789 --> 01:01:21,440
on cell they believe in jesus so they're

1611
01:01:25,910 --> 01:01:22,799
going to say yeah no problem they're

1612
01:01:28,069 --> 01:01:25,920
more likely to be exploited by that so

1613
01:01:29,109 --> 01:01:28,079
one of the issues being considered right

1614
01:01:31,510 --> 01:01:29,119
now

1615
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:31,520
is whether to add that charge

1616
01:01:36,390 --> 01:01:33,839
under that particular clause

1617
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:36,400
as an extra charge on top of what has

1618
01:01:41,109 --> 01:01:38,960
been uh essentially materially false

1619
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:41,119
claims doesn't matter what those claims

1620
01:01:45,349 --> 01:01:43,119
are that are false they're not true they

1621
01:01:47,190 --> 01:01:45,359
knew they weren't true that's illegal

1622
01:01:49,349 --> 01:01:47,200
and then of course if you're also

1623
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:49,359
targeting specific groups that can be

1624
01:01:53,910 --> 01:01:50,880
exploited because they believe in

1625
01:01:56,230 --> 01:01:53,920
conspiracies that's an extra penalty if

1626
01:01:57,510 --> 01:01:56,240
they can convict you of that so these

1627
01:02:00,390 --> 01:01:57,520
are some of the discussions that i've

1628
01:02:03,270 --> 01:02:00,400
been privy to what's been going on

1629
01:02:04,309 --> 01:02:03,280
and the recent indictment of theranos

1630
01:02:06,549 --> 01:02:04,319
theranos

1631
01:02:09,750 --> 01:02:06,559
has been cited as a possible model

1632
01:02:11,270 --> 01:02:09,760
because with the recent filing by ttsa

1633
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:11,280
the concern is that they're going into

1634
01:02:16,549 --> 01:02:13,440
medical devices and if they bring

1635
01:02:18,309 --> 01:02:16,559
chicanery into that people could die it

1636
01:02:20,950 --> 01:02:18,319
doesn't matter who it is you bring

1637
01:02:22,390 --> 01:02:20,960
pseudoscience into medicine and it's not

1638
01:02:24,069 --> 01:02:22,400
good

1639
01:02:26,470 --> 01:02:24,079
yeah so

1640
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:26,480
just to be clear you know

1641
01:02:32,829 --> 01:02:29,599
it appears to me that it's all just one

1642
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:32,839
big money-making circus

1643
01:02:37,430 --> 01:02:35,200
and i guess

1644
01:02:39,670 --> 01:02:37,440
there has to be an end to that circus if

1645
01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:39,680
it is just a money-making circus and

1646
01:02:43,829 --> 01:02:41,680
there's all these unethical shady things

1647
01:02:46,390 --> 01:02:43,839
going on left and right

1648
01:02:50,789 --> 01:02:46,400
the one of the things that surprised me

1649
01:02:53,349 --> 01:02:50,799
is this recent addition to their board

1650
01:02:56,309 --> 01:02:53,359
yeah right their most recent addition to

1651
01:02:58,950 --> 01:02:56,319
their board if you look into that guy

1652
01:03:00,870 --> 01:02:58,960
it doesn't look like someone you would

1653
01:03:02,789 --> 01:03:00,880
want

1654
01:03:05,510 --> 01:03:02,799
in your company

1655
01:03:08,470 --> 01:03:05,520
if you're a public company to me like if

1656
01:03:10,789 --> 01:03:08,480
i had if i had to run a public company

1657
01:03:13,670 --> 01:03:10,799
and i had that guy to hire

1658
01:03:17,190 --> 01:03:13,680
and looked into his background i think

1659
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:17,200
i would never hire that guy

1660
01:03:21,990 --> 01:03:19,359
yeah there's an issue of securities

1661
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:22,000
integrity i'll just search on him on the

1662
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:24,720
internet just look at who their board

1663
01:03:28,390 --> 01:03:26,480
guys are check them out

1664
01:03:30,470 --> 01:03:28,400
there's also another individual who

1665
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:30,480
joined who's rather curious he came from

1666
01:03:34,230 --> 01:03:32,319
the white house

1667
01:03:36,150 --> 01:03:34,240
the timing of when he joined it was

1668
01:03:38,630 --> 01:03:36,160
right after the series was essentially

1669
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:38,640
had been sold and ran its course what

1670
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:41,760
timing beautiful timing and it might

1671
01:03:46,230 --> 01:03:44,079
explain we don't know yet it's being

1672
01:03:47,829 --> 01:03:46,240
looked into another angle

1673
01:03:49,270 --> 01:03:47,839
part of why it takes time because again

1674
01:03:51,589 --> 01:03:49,280
he just can't go through the front door

1675
01:03:53,109 --> 01:03:51,599
and some of this just doesn't work

1676
01:03:55,430 --> 01:03:53,119
he was in the right place at the right

1677
01:03:57,270 --> 01:03:55,440
time to block communications to the

1678
01:03:59,430 --> 01:03:57,280
white house so that they wouldn't

1679
01:04:01,190 --> 01:03:59,440
comment on what was basically a media

1680
01:04:02,870 --> 01:04:01,200
frenzy over this ufo stuff that was

1681
01:04:05,430 --> 01:04:02,880
going on ever since the new york times

1682
01:04:08,470 --> 01:04:05,440
ran its stupid story uh which of course

1683
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:08,480
was not uh entirely factually correct

1684
01:04:11,670 --> 01:04:10,160
um i always wondered why this

1685
01:04:13,910 --> 01:04:11,680
administration

1686
01:04:16,630 --> 01:04:13,920
especially trump being a

1687
01:04:18,789 --> 01:04:16,640
a twitter hound let's be honest uh you

1688
01:04:20,870 --> 01:04:18,799
know media savvy didn't jump on the ufo

1689
01:04:22,150 --> 01:04:20,880
thing earlier look it took about a year

1690
01:04:23,589 --> 01:04:22,160
before they finally started saying

1691
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,599
things and it just

1692
01:04:27,270 --> 01:04:24,960
bothered me and then i found out this

1693
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:27,280
guy was there and then he suddenly joins

1694
01:04:31,670 --> 01:04:28,720
gtsa

1695
01:04:33,510 --> 01:04:31,680
wow and if that's about as fortuitous as

1696
01:04:35,750 --> 01:04:33,520
bigelow owning skinwalker ranch and

1697
01:04:39,510 --> 01:04:35,760
getting the contract to study ufos and

1698
01:04:42,549 --> 01:04:39,520
one-stop shopping for the paranormal

1699
01:04:43,990 --> 01:04:42,559
yeah so it seems to you have made me

1700
01:04:47,029 --> 01:04:44,000
aware

1701
01:04:48,789 --> 01:04:47,039
of some of these players in ttsa have

1702
01:04:50,789 --> 01:04:48,799
been involved in

1703
01:04:53,750 --> 01:04:50,799
let's say

1704
01:04:54,870 --> 01:04:53,760
strange government research and research

1705
01:04:56,470 --> 01:04:54,880
grants

1706
01:04:58,309 --> 01:04:56,480
in other words they've been sort of

1707
01:05:01,109 --> 01:04:58,319
milking the government for money for

1708
01:05:03,589 --> 01:05:01,119
this paranormal stuff some of these guys

1709
01:05:06,150 --> 01:05:03,599
for a long time

1710
01:05:06,950 --> 01:05:06,160
yeah it goes back to the 70s

1711
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:06,960
and

1712
01:05:11,589 --> 01:05:09,200
you know it's interesting because in the

1713
01:05:13,670 --> 01:05:11,599
keviad lawsuit for example and bob

1714
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:13,680
keviad knows their history going back to

1715
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:15,680
the 70s as well

1716
01:05:19,349 --> 01:05:17,839
if if there's any sense of justice in

1717
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:19,359
this world

1718
01:05:23,910 --> 01:05:21,599
dr hal putoff will be subpoenaed and put

1719
01:05:26,549 --> 01:05:23,920
under oath and kiviat's lawsuit

1720
01:05:29,190 --> 01:05:26,559
well pandolfi has said

1721
01:05:31,990 --> 01:05:29,200
that uh this is the cia's uh former

1722
01:05:35,109 --> 01:05:32,000
weird desk head uh dr ronald pindolph he

1723
01:05:37,910 --> 01:05:35,119
took over for dr kidd green who ran some

1724
01:05:39,510 --> 01:05:37,920
of these uh techno scam uh

1725
01:05:41,349 --> 01:05:39,520
ufo

1726
01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:41,359
parapsychology paranormal things for the

1727
01:05:46,789 --> 01:05:44,000
cia wasted 10 million dollars

1728
01:05:49,430 --> 01:05:46,799
of taxpayer money this was after put off

1729
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:49,440
around the time of him and then separate

1730
01:05:53,190 --> 01:05:50,640
from his own

1731
01:05:56,710 --> 01:05:53,200
uh they all know each other according to

1732
01:05:58,710 --> 01:05:56,720
pandolfi it was putoff who imported the

1733
01:06:00,950 --> 01:05:58,720
russian-made so-called anti-gravity

1734
01:06:02,950 --> 01:06:00,960
device which doesn't really exist

1735
01:06:04,390 --> 01:06:02,960
that uh joe formage

1736
01:06:06,230 --> 01:06:04,400
for fermich has been scamming people

1737
01:06:08,870 --> 01:06:06,240
with through inner nasa that has now

1738
01:06:10,789 --> 01:06:08,880
gotten him in trouble in court and i

1739
01:06:12,390 --> 01:06:10,799
can't wait for that trial to run its

1740
01:06:14,309 --> 01:06:12,400
course because if these people go under

1741
01:06:16,710 --> 01:06:14,319
oath the public is going to learn the

1742
01:06:19,029 --> 01:06:16,720
truth about a lot of scams and it needs

1743
01:06:21,829 --> 01:06:19,039
to be shut down it really does it needs

1744
01:06:22,549 --> 01:06:21,839
to be exposed everybody from bendolfi

1745
01:06:24,549 --> 01:06:22,559
to

1746
01:06:27,270 --> 01:06:24,559
brandon fugal the real owner of

1747
01:06:31,349 --> 01:06:27,280
skinwalker ranch to what harry reid did

1748
01:06:33,270 --> 01:06:31,359
to ttsa to internasa to atip

1749
01:06:35,910 --> 01:06:33,280
it all needs to come out and all the

1750
01:06:36,950 --> 01:06:35,920
pieces are there in enough to put them

1751
01:06:38,950 --> 01:06:36,960
together

1752
01:06:41,589 --> 01:06:38,960
but we just need to finish that final

1753
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:43,029
so

1754
01:06:45,510 --> 01:06:43,920
you know

1755
01:06:49,029 --> 01:06:45,520
you said you couldn't really comment on

1756
01:06:51,190 --> 01:06:49,039
where you think it's going for ttsa but

1757
01:06:53,670 --> 01:06:51,200
you know it's kind of like they've been

1758
01:06:55,349 --> 01:06:53,680
over promising and under delivering in

1759
01:06:57,829 --> 01:06:55,359
my view and many people's view for a

1760
01:07:00,390 --> 01:06:57,839
long time i mean that's gotta

1761
01:07:01,510 --> 01:07:00,400
crash and burn eventually right yeah i

1762
01:07:03,270 --> 01:07:01,520
mean i

1763
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:03,280
actually i can elaborate more now i

1764
01:07:07,270 --> 01:07:05,200
didn't mean to

1765
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:07,280
shortchange or anything with info what

1766
01:07:10,710 --> 01:07:09,680
i'm getting at is excuse me

1767
01:07:13,670 --> 01:07:10,720
when

1768
01:07:16,069 --> 01:07:13,680
this complaint is sent to them

1769
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,079
they have to respond to it

1770
01:07:20,069 --> 01:07:18,480
if they don't

1771
01:07:21,829 --> 01:07:20,079
all bets are off

1772
01:07:23,430 --> 01:07:21,839
when they respond

1773
01:07:25,190 --> 01:07:23,440
it then boils down to what kind of

1774
01:07:27,029 --> 01:07:25,200
response are they going to give is it

1775
01:07:28,390 --> 01:07:27,039
going to be the kind of response that

1776
01:07:31,510 --> 01:07:28,400
was just

1777
01:07:34,549 --> 01:07:31,520
deceiving the court like it was in the

1778
01:07:36,950 --> 01:07:34,559
caveats first round of the lawsuit where

1779
01:07:38,470 --> 01:07:36,960
a settlement had been reached gandalfi

1780
01:07:39,910 --> 01:07:38,480
had asked to be removed from that

1781
01:07:41,910 --> 01:07:39,920
lawsuit because he didn't want to go

1782
01:07:44,150 --> 01:07:41,920
under oath didn't want the agency

1783
01:07:46,309 --> 01:07:44,160
involved worried about his pension this

1784
01:07:48,230 --> 01:07:46,319
is all stuff that was reported to me

1785
01:07:51,190 --> 01:07:48,240
about what pandolfie was saying

1786
01:07:55,109 --> 01:07:51,200
so gandalfi agreed to cooperate

1787
01:07:57,910 --> 01:07:55,119
turn whistleblower sing his head off

1788
01:08:00,069 --> 01:07:57,920
problem is he wasn't telling the truth

1789
01:08:01,510 --> 01:08:00,079
and now he's got some issues that's all

1790
01:08:03,670 --> 01:08:01,520
i'm going to say and we've got all the

1791
01:08:06,789 --> 01:08:03,680
proof and this is all going to come out

1792
01:08:08,870 --> 01:08:06,799
so regarding ttsa

1793
01:08:11,109 --> 01:08:08,880
we know that putoff was involved in this

1794
01:08:12,309 --> 01:08:11,119
other scam he's involved in the ttsa

1795
01:08:13,109 --> 01:08:12,319
scam

1796
01:08:17,590 --> 01:08:13,119
he's

1797
01:08:20,390 --> 01:08:17,600
going to be put under oath in the caveat

1798
01:08:22,229 --> 01:08:20,400
lawsuit cross-examined on simple issues

1799
01:08:24,550 --> 01:08:22,239
were you acting under orders or did you

1800
01:08:26,709 --> 01:08:24,560
go rogue especially where concerns say

1801
01:08:27,749 --> 01:08:26,719
and dolphie so as far as what's going to

1802
01:08:28,789 --> 01:08:27,759
happen they're going to get this

1803
01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:28,799
complaint

1804
01:08:34,470 --> 01:08:31,600
they have to respond to it in 45 days

1805
01:08:35,749 --> 01:08:34,480
they're being given 15 extra days no

1806
01:08:38,229 --> 01:08:35,759
excuses

1807
01:08:40,870 --> 01:08:38,239
what they do as a consequence determines

1808
01:08:43,030 --> 01:08:40,880
what happens next

1809
01:08:44,709 --> 01:08:43,040
that that's why i can't tell you because

1810
01:08:46,709 --> 01:08:44,719
it's like if i know someone's going to

1811
01:08:48,309 --> 01:08:46,719
get sued or served

1812
01:08:49,829 --> 01:08:48,319
i can tell you what's in it i can tell

1813
01:08:51,110 --> 01:08:49,839
you when it's going to happen

1814
01:08:53,349 --> 01:08:51,120
but i can't tell you what's going to

1815
01:08:56,229 --> 01:08:53,359
happen once they get that document

1816
01:08:58,309 --> 01:08:56,239
that's why i can't tell you anymore

1817
01:09:00,630 --> 01:08:58,319
i can simply tell you that

1818
01:09:03,269 --> 01:09:00,640
where the whistleblowers have blown the

1819
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:03,279
whistle if they are lying they're going

1820
01:09:06,789 --> 01:09:05,440
to be nailed if they're telling the

1821
01:09:08,149 --> 01:09:06,799
truth

1822
01:09:09,829 --> 01:09:08,159
they're heroes

1823
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:09,839
either way we learn the truth for the

1824
01:09:12,789 --> 01:09:11,359
first time you sure aren't going to get

1825
01:09:15,910 --> 01:09:12,799
it from george knapp and you're sure not

1826
01:09:18,309 --> 01:09:15,920
going to get it on coast to coast

1827
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:18,319
yeah and i i also found that part of the

1828
01:09:23,189 --> 01:09:20,159
story funny with george knapp was an

1829
01:09:25,990 --> 01:09:23,199
early investor in ttsa and then proceeds

1830
01:09:26,599 --> 01:09:26,000
to blast them out on his you know

1831
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:26,609
television

1832
01:09:29,669 --> 01:09:28,080
[Music]

1833
01:09:31,269 --> 01:09:29,679
you know

1834
01:09:34,229 --> 01:09:31,279
he just he gave them all kinds of

1835
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:34,239
publicity and he was an early investor i

1836
01:09:39,510 --> 01:09:37,120
don't see how that's okay that just

1837
01:09:41,430 --> 01:09:39,520
didn't sit well with me and then he has

1838
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:41,440
said that he just invested to help tom

1839
01:09:45,910 --> 01:09:44,000
out or something like that but it still

1840
01:09:48,470 --> 01:09:45,920
it doesn't look good to me

1841
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:48,480
no and it's unethical because he's a

1842
01:09:52,229 --> 01:09:49,920
journalist and what he should have done

1843
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:52,239
is started his broadcast hello boys and

1844
01:09:56,229 --> 01:09:54,320
girls my name's george knapp i'm a

1845
01:09:57,990 --> 01:09:56,239
carnival barker for these guys and i

1846
01:10:00,070 --> 01:09:58,000
gave them more money because i'm going

1847
01:10:01,189 --> 01:10:00,080
to get publicity and ratings and

1848
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:01,199
click-throughs off all this whatever

1849
01:10:06,149 --> 01:10:03,920
whatever his motives are i'm not psychic

1850
01:10:08,470 --> 01:10:06,159
don't profess to be i don't have respect

1851
01:10:12,149 --> 01:10:08,480
for him because in my opinion he is a

1852
01:10:14,870 --> 01:10:12,159
carnival barker for these guys he has

1853
01:10:17,270 --> 01:10:14,880
helped promote frauds like bob lazar

1854
01:10:20,709 --> 01:10:17,280
come on i would not do that just to get

1855
01:10:23,669 --> 01:10:20,719
ratings i would expose lazar and walk on

1856
01:10:26,229 --> 01:10:23,679
and move on who cares if you get ratings

1857
01:10:28,070 --> 01:10:26,239
this is a part that disgusts me about a

1858
01:10:30,229 --> 01:10:28,080
lot of the so-called journalists today

1859
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:30,239
and unfortunately since i'm on the older

1860
01:10:34,470 --> 01:10:32,800
side of things now um

1861
01:10:36,390 --> 01:10:34,480
we have a whole young generation in

1862
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:36,400
power running hollywood

1863
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:38,960
uh that grew up saying all this stuff

1864
01:10:42,310 --> 01:10:40,640
was true they don't know any better and

1865
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:42,320
when you confront them with the truth

1866
01:10:45,110 --> 01:10:43,920
and say look i was there here's the

1867
01:10:48,229 --> 01:10:45,120
proof here's the photo here's the

1868
01:10:50,070 --> 01:10:48,239
document they don't know what to do

1869
01:10:52,709 --> 01:10:50,080
they don't know what to do

1870
01:10:55,910 --> 01:10:52,719
yeah we see we see also these

1871
01:10:57,270 --> 01:10:55,920
interconnections because george knapp is

1872
01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:57,280
of course the person that originally

1873
01:11:02,310 --> 01:11:00,480
broke this bob lazar story then he's

1874
01:11:03,669 --> 01:11:02,320
basically been selling it for years and

1875
01:11:07,189 --> 01:11:03,679
years

1876
01:11:09,590 --> 01:11:07,199
decades but also uh

1877
01:11:10,470 --> 01:11:09,600
bob lazar has a connection to ttsa in

1878
01:11:13,750 --> 01:11:10,480
that

1879
01:11:15,270 --> 01:11:13,760
bob lazar who is famously said over and

1880
01:11:17,830 --> 01:11:15,280
over again i never make any money from

1881
01:11:19,110 --> 01:11:17,840
my story just published an autobiography

1882
01:11:21,189 --> 01:11:19,120
and it's very interesting that the

1883
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:21,199
person the the publisher of the

1884
01:11:24,709 --> 01:11:23,760
autobiography is a brand new publishing

1885
01:11:27,189 --> 01:11:24,719
company

1886
01:11:28,470 --> 01:11:27,199
started by tom delong's sister

1887
01:11:31,189 --> 01:11:28,480
of course

1888
01:11:34,070 --> 01:11:31,199
yeah and one of the first things noted

1889
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:34,080
in the draft complaint against ttsa and

1890
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:36,560
again i have seen this document so i'm

1891
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:38,880
going to tell you what is in one of the

1892
01:11:41,430 --> 01:11:40,239
i think it's the second point in the

1893
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:41,440
document

1894
01:11:47,030 --> 01:11:44,719
um it says in point two i i believe it's

1895
01:11:49,430 --> 01:11:47,040
absolutely within the first three pages

1896
01:11:51,510 --> 01:11:49,440
it says very clearly that tom de long

1897
01:11:53,270 --> 01:11:51,520
and his sister were transferred i

1898
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:53,280
believe over ninety percent or roughly

1899
01:11:57,990 --> 01:11:55,360
90 of all the stock

1900
01:11:59,990 --> 01:11:58,000
in that company by this guy in florida

1901
01:12:01,669 --> 01:12:00,000
who set it up and was hired to do

1902
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:01,679
exactly that he's identified in the

1903
01:12:06,229 --> 01:12:04,080
complaint so there you go you can see

1904
01:12:07,830 --> 01:12:06,239
where the riches are being stacked up

1905
01:12:09,750 --> 01:12:07,840
put off and all those other guys are

1906
01:12:11,350 --> 01:12:09,760
only going to get scraps if they achieve

1907
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:11,360
certain milestones which i don't think

1908
01:12:14,070 --> 01:12:12,480
they're going to do

1909
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:14,080
at the end of the day

1910
01:12:17,430 --> 01:12:15,440
um

1911
01:12:18,870 --> 01:12:17,440
you know you can't make chicken salad

1912
01:12:20,790 --> 01:12:18,880
out of chicken

1913
01:12:23,189 --> 01:12:20,800
shi you know what

1914
01:12:25,350 --> 01:12:23,199
that's just reality they don't have the

1915
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,360
goods they never did

1916
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:27,120
they they aren't going to get it unless

1917
01:12:31,350 --> 01:12:28,640
somebody gives it to them or they

1918
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:31,360
stumble across it they're recycling old

1919
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:33,520
garbage and let's be honest even some of

1920
01:12:36,390 --> 01:12:35,600
the fanboys were saying by episode six

1921
01:12:37,750 --> 01:12:36,400
of that

1922
01:12:39,910 --> 01:12:37,760
terrible series they did which they

1923
01:12:42,550 --> 01:12:39,920
helped produce by the way that um you

1924
01:12:44,470 --> 01:12:42,560
know this was stretching it a bit thin

1925
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,480
uh reaching for it a bit yeah because

1926
01:12:48,950 --> 01:12:46,560
the whole thing always was that i mean

1927
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,960
remember they said luella zondo ran at

1928
01:12:52,070 --> 01:12:50,560
for 10 years

1929
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:52,080
no he didn't

1930
01:12:56,390 --> 01:12:53,440
yeah that's been an interesting

1931
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:56,400
revelation to me and uh also

1932
01:13:00,870 --> 01:12:58,640
just to see the defense of people who

1933
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,880
are huge supporters it's

1934
01:13:06,149 --> 01:13:02,880
kind of laughable you know you kind of

1935
01:13:09,270 --> 01:13:06,159
make excuses for why that is oh that

1936
01:13:11,030 --> 01:13:09,280
pentagon spokesperson was an error

1937
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:11,040
and but then we get it again from

1938
01:13:14,550 --> 01:13:13,040
someone else that no he didn't run that

1939
01:13:16,229 --> 01:13:14,560
program so

1940
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,239
it's amazing to me and he's on

1941
01:13:20,470 --> 01:13:18,560
television saying he ran that program

1942
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:20,480
he's at conferences saying he ran that

1943
01:13:24,950 --> 01:13:22,960
program they're asking for investors

1944
01:13:25,990 --> 01:13:24,960
money while he's saying he ran that

1945
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:26,000
program

1946
01:13:34,149 --> 01:13:31,360
yeah it's it's it's

1947
01:13:36,790 --> 01:13:34,159
it's illegal to do that but if the law

1948
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:36,800
is not enforced they get away with it

1949
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:37,679
and

1950
01:13:44,390 --> 01:13:40,480
ironically you can even find on linkedin

1951
01:13:46,550 --> 01:13:44,400
who was his predecessor who ran a tip

1952
01:13:49,110 --> 01:13:46,560
and you can do the math he's declared it

1953
01:13:51,030 --> 01:13:49,120
on a cv so either he's lying

1954
01:13:53,669 --> 01:13:51,040
or they're both lying and what's

1955
01:13:56,870 --> 01:13:53,679
interesting is that the predecessor to

1956
01:13:58,229 --> 01:13:56,880
uh elizondo also worked for bigelow

1957
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,239
wow

1958
01:14:02,790 --> 01:14:00,480
hot dog what are the odds of that

1959
01:14:05,189 --> 01:14:02,800
and of course two of the pilots did i

1960
01:14:07,110 --> 01:14:05,199
believe in the nimitz uh in incident

1961
01:14:09,430 --> 01:14:07,120
they had worked for bigelow or married a

1962
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:09,440
pilot who worked for bigelow it's just

1963
01:14:13,189 --> 01:14:11,440
an amazing small

1964
01:14:15,510 --> 01:14:13,199
what are the odds it's kind of odds they

1965
01:14:17,510 --> 01:14:15,520
should go to the casinos man they retire

1966
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:17,520
riding a heater yeah it's always

1967
01:14:24,390 --> 01:14:20,480
interesting to me how many ufo stories

1968
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:24,400
roads lead back to bigelow and uh

1969
01:14:28,390 --> 01:14:27,120
kind of amazing character to me you know

1970
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:28,400
like

1971
01:14:32,630 --> 01:14:30,640
here's this billionaire and he's putting

1972
01:14:35,189 --> 01:14:32,640
money his own

1973
01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:35,199
money into a bunch of this stuff buying

1974
01:14:39,430 --> 01:14:37,040
that ranch

1975
01:14:42,390 --> 01:14:39,440
what what's your take on bigelow

1976
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:42,400
is he just is he just like a rich guy

1977
01:14:45,910 --> 01:14:44,320
with way too much money who's interested

1978
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:45,920
in this stuff so he throws some money

1979
01:14:51,270 --> 01:14:48,960
around or what is the deal with him

1980
01:14:53,189 --> 01:14:51,280
i cannot speak for him i'm not gonna do

1981
01:14:55,189 --> 01:14:53,199
it i'm sorry i don't have any uh

1982
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:55,199
first-hand interaction with him

1983
01:14:58,870 --> 01:14:57,360
what i can tell you is that when i look

1984
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:58,880
at some of the people who have gotten

1985
01:15:02,229 --> 01:15:00,719
money from him for what they've got

1986
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:02,239
money for

1987
01:15:06,950 --> 01:15:05,040
either he's naive or they've exploited

1988
01:15:08,790 --> 01:15:06,960
him i don't profess to know what his

1989
01:15:11,669 --> 01:15:08,800
motives are

1990
01:15:13,990 --> 01:15:11,679
we got information that uh how put off

1991
01:15:15,669 --> 01:15:14,000
is the one that was given the deed to

1992
01:15:18,070 --> 01:15:15,679
skinwalker ranch

1993
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:18,080
and then brokered the deal to sell it to

1994
01:15:21,350 --> 01:15:19,600
uh fuel

1995
01:15:23,110 --> 01:15:21,360
and of course now there's gonna be a

1996
01:15:26,149 --> 01:15:23,120
series about it of course again it's

1997
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:26,159
one-stop paranormal shopping

1998
01:15:30,950 --> 01:15:28,400
so this is all not a coincidence it's

1999
01:15:33,110 --> 01:15:30,960
fraud and when you're selling stuff that

2000
01:15:35,350 --> 01:15:33,120
isn't true that includes billy meyer

2001
01:15:37,350 --> 01:15:35,360
photos that are not real

2002
01:15:40,070 --> 01:15:37,360
it's consumer fraud doesn't matter what

2003
01:15:42,709 --> 01:15:40,080
the subject is you cannot sell something

2004
01:15:44,950 --> 01:15:42,719
that you knowingly misrepresent or that

2005
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:44,960
has been proven to be what it isn't

2006
01:15:48,149 --> 01:15:46,960
sometimes the manufacturer doesn't know

2007
01:15:50,550 --> 01:15:48,159
and they find something in it that

2008
01:15:53,590 --> 01:15:50,560
shouldn't be there whatever the point is

2009
01:15:55,030 --> 01:15:53,600
it's illegal and so uh why he does what

2010
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:55,040
he does i don't know

2011
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,520
i know for example uh again he's

2012
01:16:01,189 --> 01:15:59,520
involved in aerospace and that i worked

2013
01:16:03,350 --> 01:16:01,199
at boeing for years i've got friends

2014
01:16:04,630 --> 01:16:03,360
there still so i'm able to follow what

2015
01:16:06,550 --> 01:16:04,640
he does there

2016
01:16:08,070 --> 01:16:06,560
i've got issues with anybody having

2017
01:16:11,110 --> 01:16:08,080
aerospace contracts when they're

2018
01:16:12,709 --> 01:16:11,120
involved in things as spurious as uh

2019
01:16:14,709 --> 01:16:12,719
something like atyp for example when

2020
01:16:15,590 --> 01:16:14,719
harry reid is on record and others is

2021
01:16:18,070 --> 01:16:15,600
saying

2022
01:16:20,149 --> 01:16:18,080
that part of the 22 million in taxpayer

2023
01:16:22,470 --> 01:16:20,159
money went to build these special

2024
01:16:24,310 --> 01:16:22,480
facilities how the house the ufo

2025
01:16:26,070 --> 01:16:24,320
evidence and fragments

2026
01:16:28,470 --> 01:16:26,080
uh as part of atip

2027
01:16:30,070 --> 01:16:28,480
i'm saying no i don't believe any such

2028
01:16:31,669 --> 01:16:30,080
facilities were built

2029
01:16:33,750 --> 01:16:31,679
maybe they were built for another

2030
01:16:35,830 --> 01:16:33,760
purpose and bigelow was able to enrich

2031
01:16:38,070 --> 01:16:35,840
whatever at taxpayer expense i don't

2032
01:16:39,030 --> 01:16:38,080
know but show us the facilities where

2033
01:16:40,470 --> 01:16:39,040
are they

2034
01:16:43,590 --> 01:16:40,480
where's the accountability where's the

2035
01:16:45,430 --> 01:16:43,600
transparency yeah i was going to ask you

2036
01:16:47,750 --> 01:16:45,440
because maybe you have some more insight

2037
01:16:49,270 --> 01:16:47,760
into it than i was able to dig up with

2038
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:49,280
my meager

2039
01:16:53,590 --> 01:16:52,480
research skills i try to look into

2040
01:16:55,350 --> 01:16:53,600
the money

2041
01:16:57,510 --> 01:16:55,360
so there's 22 million dollars of

2042
01:16:58,550 --> 01:16:57,520
taxpayer money given to this eight tip

2043
01:17:01,510 --> 01:16:58,560
program

2044
01:17:02,790 --> 01:17:01,520
through harry reid and another senator

2045
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:02,800
the hawaiian center i don't know its

2046
01:17:05,910 --> 01:17:04,159
name offhand

2047
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:05,920
the money goes through them

2048
01:17:09,030 --> 01:17:07,199
to

2049
01:17:10,709 --> 01:17:09,040
this a-tip program

2050
01:17:13,830 --> 01:17:10,719
but i don't know

2051
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:13,840
what we got for the 22 million

2052
01:17:17,510 --> 01:17:16,560
yeah what happened is when i started

2053
01:17:18,790 --> 01:17:17,520
working

2054
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:18,800
to

2055
01:17:22,709 --> 01:17:21,280
uh let me back up

2056
01:17:25,430 --> 01:17:22,719
what happened is i

2057
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:25,440
left india and came to the us

2058
01:17:28,950 --> 01:17:27,440
secretly meaning i didn't tell anybody i

2059
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:28,960
was coming and i travel a lot and don't

2060
01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:30,400
tell people where i'm coming it depends

2061
01:17:33,990 --> 01:17:31,600
on what i'm doing

2062
01:17:37,189 --> 01:17:34,000
so i'm in the u.s

2063
01:17:39,270 --> 01:17:37,199
and i'm in a hotel room and i'm about to

2064
01:17:41,110 --> 01:17:39,280
turn off the news when tucker carlson

2065
01:17:43,189 --> 01:17:41,120
comes on and tells me what the new york

2066
01:17:46,550 --> 01:17:43,199
times said about atip and ufos in

2067
01:17:48,790 --> 01:17:46,560
december of 2017 and he basically says

2068
01:17:51,270 --> 01:17:48,800
the secret program was there

2069
01:17:52,870 --> 01:17:51,280
their objects remain unexplained ufos

2070
01:17:55,510 --> 01:17:52,880
are real have a nice day and i'm like

2071
01:17:57,669 --> 01:17:55,520
what the f no way you know i'm not going

2072
01:17:59,910 --> 01:17:57,679
to get away with this and then so what

2073
01:18:01,110 --> 01:17:59,920
happened is um i started putting charts

2074
01:18:02,550 --> 01:18:01,120
together

2075
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:02,560
of who was who

2076
01:18:06,870 --> 01:18:05,120
and to use an analogy of of doing this

2077
01:18:08,709 --> 01:18:06,880
type of thing again as an analyst i've

2078
01:18:11,030 --> 01:18:08,719
done this for many years but

2079
01:18:13,910 --> 01:18:11,040
to cite an example of how

2080
01:18:15,910 --> 01:18:13,920
the public may remember these visually

2081
01:18:18,310 --> 01:18:15,920
they may remember these old uh

2082
01:18:20,149 --> 01:18:18,320
organizational charts uh mafia flow

2083
01:18:21,830 --> 01:18:20,159
charts of who the copper is who the

2084
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:21,840
industry is yeah that's all you know

2085
01:18:25,910 --> 01:18:23,520
what when i saw some of the stuff that

2086
01:18:28,229 --> 01:18:25,920
you were working on that's exactly what

2087
01:18:30,550 --> 01:18:28,239
i i thought of that you know like a

2088
01:18:32,149 --> 01:18:30,560
movie with that big board that the cops

2089
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:32,159
have and they have this whole criminal

2090
01:18:37,270 --> 01:18:33,840
organization and there's pictures of

2091
01:18:38,790 --> 01:18:37,280
each guy and rights about what they do

2092
01:18:41,510 --> 01:18:38,800
that's really what it reminded me of

2093
01:18:44,790 --> 01:18:41,520
absolutely yeah because these these

2094
01:18:46,950 --> 01:18:44,800
investigation relationship slides have

2095
01:18:48,390 --> 01:18:46,960
been put together and and

2096
01:18:50,310 --> 01:18:48,400
the lines

2097
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:50,320
intersected some amazing things and what

2098
01:18:54,709 --> 01:18:53,120
you see is a decades-long

2099
01:18:57,110 --> 01:18:54,719
pat a series of patterns here and the

2100
01:18:58,870 --> 01:18:57,120
pattern is using taxpayer money and

2101
01:18:59,750 --> 01:18:58,880
techno scams

2102
01:19:03,910 --> 01:18:59,760
and

2103
01:19:05,669 --> 01:19:03,920
any more than any other american does

2104
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:05,679
but at least build a damn airport for

2105
01:19:09,990 --> 01:19:06,960
your money you know

2106
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:10,000
not ufo thing the fact is harry reid and

2107
01:19:14,149 --> 01:19:12,159
the two other senators who were involved

2108
01:19:16,709 --> 01:19:14,159
could have easily if they really cared

2109
01:19:18,790 --> 01:19:16,719
about ufos asked the cia or air force

2110
01:19:20,390 --> 01:19:18,800
hey what's the truth here tell us they

2111
01:19:21,510 --> 01:19:20,400
would have gotten the answer i even

2112
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:21,520
identify

2113
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:24,400
who they could have called if i know if

2114
01:19:28,709 --> 01:19:26,000
i know it and i don't have the clearance

2115
01:19:31,189 --> 01:19:28,719
or access they do then damn it they sure

2116
01:19:32,950 --> 01:19:31,199
well know it so there's one slide where

2117
01:19:35,669 --> 01:19:32,960
it says harry reid fixer in chief

2118
01:19:37,430 --> 01:19:35,679
because he's has fixed things in dc

2119
01:19:41,430 --> 01:19:37,440
and he worked with actually two other

2120
01:19:43,830 --> 01:19:41,440
senators they were um uh basically

2121
01:19:45,830 --> 01:19:43,840
daniel inouye he was the senator from

2122
01:19:48,550 --> 01:19:45,840
hawaii that you uh mentioned and then

2123
01:19:51,750 --> 01:19:48,560
there was ted uh stevens okay

2124
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:51,760
and ted stevens was known as the king of

2125
01:19:56,709 --> 01:19:54,719
pork i mean he was investigated for it

2126
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:56,719
stevens this is a quote from him and

2127
01:20:00,550 --> 01:19:58,880
this is from one of these slides that

2128
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:00,560
was presented to

2129
01:20:04,229 --> 01:20:02,719
some of the investigators back in dc who

2130
01:20:06,229 --> 01:20:04,239
are going to make the decision of what

2131
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:06,239
to do regarding what

2132
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:07,840
where the money went and all that this

2133
01:20:12,390 --> 01:20:10,400
is a quote from that slide you're gonna

2134
01:20:15,110 --> 01:20:12,400
i'm giving you a copy of it

2135
01:20:17,110 --> 01:20:15,120
stevens hated government waste watchdogs

2136
01:20:18,390 --> 01:20:17,120
often calling them quote a bunch of

2137
01:20:21,030 --> 01:20:18,400
psychopaths

2138
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:21,040
unquote and saying quote they are idiots

2139
01:20:23,510 --> 01:20:22,400
unquote

2140
01:20:25,750 --> 01:20:23,520
okay

2141
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:25,760
so these three senators took taxpayer

2142
01:20:30,790 --> 01:20:29,040
money without congressional oversight

2143
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:30,800
and just gave it to

2144
01:20:35,830 --> 01:20:33,920
his donor reedstoner and reed says he

2145
01:20:38,310 --> 01:20:35,840
saw a letter bigelow had shown him

2146
01:20:39,990 --> 01:20:38,320
talking about how skinwalker ranch was

2147
01:20:42,390 --> 01:20:40,000
haunted there's paranormal activity

2148
01:20:44,229 --> 01:20:42,400
there from interdimensional portals

2149
01:20:46,950 --> 01:20:44,239
again that reminds me of the pandolfi

2150
01:20:49,510 --> 01:20:46,960
pindolphi's wife joe fermajan or nasa

2151
01:20:51,510 --> 01:20:49,520
nonsense two

2152
01:20:54,070 --> 01:20:51,520
kid green being in there

2153
01:20:56,070 --> 01:20:54,080
doing medical exposure stuff to

2154
01:20:57,830 --> 01:20:56,080
again the ufo stuff and the paranormal

2155
01:20:59,510 --> 01:20:57,840
skinwalker stuff

2156
01:21:02,790 --> 01:20:59,520
and i'll tell you one thing

2157
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:02,800
we traced i traced specifically in my

2158
01:21:08,870 --> 01:21:06,400
investigation the skinwalker nonsense to

2159
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:08,880
the mormons of all people and when you

2160
01:21:12,149 --> 01:21:10,320
look at people who are involved in the

2161
01:21:15,110 --> 01:21:12,159
skinwalker ranch

2162
01:21:17,110 --> 01:21:15,120
nonsense you've got uh

2163
01:21:20,310 --> 01:21:17,120
fugle and you've got congressman bill

2164
01:21:21,750 --> 01:21:20,320
marriott or daniel marriott and he's a

2165
01:21:24,070 --> 01:21:21,760
woman

2166
01:21:28,390 --> 01:21:24,080
you know and the skinwalker thing do you

2167
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:31,110
well i actually found the archives in

2168
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:33,280
the mormon church in the northern

2169
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:34,400
archives

2170
01:21:39,110 --> 01:21:36,639
what happened is in the pioneer days the

2171
01:21:41,110 --> 01:21:39,120
mormons would kidnap or adopt quote

2172
01:21:42,950 --> 01:21:41,120
unquote against their will

2173
01:21:44,390 --> 01:21:42,960
indian children

2174
01:21:46,550 --> 01:21:44,400
and what they would do is they'd try to

2175
01:21:48,870 --> 01:21:46,560
raise them as converted women's

2176
01:21:50,870 --> 01:21:48,880
and they wouldn't let them stay outside

2177
01:21:52,550 --> 01:21:50,880
ninety percent of the time like indians

2178
01:21:55,430 --> 01:21:52,560
do okay

2179
01:21:57,270 --> 01:21:55,440
and their skin would turn lighter

2180
01:21:59,189 --> 01:21:57,280
because they weren't out in the sun as

2181
01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:59,199
much plus many of them would try to

2182
01:22:02,629 --> 01:22:00,560
escape

2183
01:22:04,470 --> 01:22:02,639
and they their skin started turning

2184
01:22:06,070 --> 01:22:04,480
lighter and they thought their life

2185
01:22:08,310 --> 01:22:06,080
power whatever is being drained from

2186
01:22:09,430 --> 01:22:08,320
them and that led to the skinwalker

2187
01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:09,440
legend

2188
01:22:13,510 --> 01:22:10,400
okay

2189
01:22:15,110 --> 01:22:13,520
of the skin walking and changing color

2190
01:22:17,110 --> 01:22:15,120
and leaving them

2191
01:22:18,629 --> 01:22:17,120
and then they cursed the land that was

2192
01:22:20,629 --> 01:22:18,639
stolen from them there's actual

2193
01:22:22,550 --> 01:22:20,639
newspaper article in the slide i'm

2194
01:22:25,350 --> 01:22:22,560
showing you saying they just made up

2195
01:22:27,430 --> 01:22:25,360
this curse so there you go

2196
01:22:30,470 --> 01:22:27,440
it's it's complete folklore combined

2197
01:22:32,310 --> 01:22:30,480
with real tragic history where you know

2198
01:22:34,390 --> 01:22:32,320
as part of colonizing america and the

2199
01:22:36,790 --> 01:22:34,400
genocide we did commit against native

2200
01:22:38,629 --> 01:22:36,800
american indians the mormons took

2201
01:22:41,910 --> 01:22:38,639
children and

2202
01:22:44,390 --> 01:22:41,920
that fueled this skinwalker legend myth

2203
01:22:46,470 --> 01:22:44,400
curse anger in addition to stealing the

2204
01:22:49,669 --> 01:22:46,480
land

2205
01:22:51,270 --> 01:22:49,679
yeah this skinwalker branch to me it

2206
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:51,280
just seems like there's nothing there

2207
01:22:56,229 --> 01:22:53,600
it's a lot of good stories but if they

2208
01:22:58,790 --> 01:22:56,239
if they spent all this money and you

2209
01:23:01,350 --> 01:22:58,800
know had real scientists there they they

2210
01:23:03,430 --> 01:23:01,360
never got anything out of it

2211
01:23:05,830 --> 01:23:03,440
well see that's the thing um bigelow is

2212
01:23:07,750 --> 01:23:05,840
rich he doesn't need a grant to study

2213
01:23:10,070 --> 01:23:07,760
something plus if he did it out of his

2214
01:23:11,669 --> 01:23:10,080
own pocket it's a tax deduction

2215
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:11,679
what i want to know is where the 22

2216
01:23:16,790 --> 01:23:14,239
million went the investigators

2217
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:16,800
are now looking asking that question how

2218
01:23:21,350 --> 01:23:18,560
far they'll go i don't have an answer

2219
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,360
yet i will soon i am in that loop of

2220
01:23:26,550 --> 01:23:23,280
communication i promise you

2221
01:23:29,189 --> 01:23:26,560
and there is a list of all the people

2222
01:23:31,669 --> 01:23:29,199
who are involved in the stuff including

2223
01:23:33,590 --> 01:23:31,679
the facilities that's been found and

2224
01:23:35,430 --> 01:23:33,600
turned over and documented

2225
01:23:36,310 --> 01:23:35,440
and we'll see how far they chase this

2226
01:23:38,709 --> 01:23:36,320
down

2227
01:23:40,709 --> 01:23:38,719
what i want to do is try to ensure that

2228
01:23:42,790 --> 01:23:40,719
this never happens again we need to shut

2229
01:23:45,270 --> 01:23:42,800
down the so-called aviary

2230
01:23:47,270 --> 01:23:45,280
nonsense and this techno scam thing

2231
01:23:48,709 --> 01:23:47,280
because we found evidence of this and

2232
01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:48,719
you may remember this

2233
01:23:53,430 --> 01:23:50,800
remember john podesta

2234
01:23:55,669 --> 01:23:53,440
big ufo nut well

2235
01:23:58,149 --> 01:23:55,679
okay so harry reid is leaving under a

2236
01:23:58,950 --> 01:23:58,159
cloud ending his political career his

2237
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:58,960
son

2238
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:00,560
is uh

2239
01:24:05,590 --> 01:24:02,800
tied up in corruption with the chinese

2240
01:24:07,430 --> 01:24:05,600
he has been reprimanded in a and

2241
01:24:10,629 --> 01:24:07,440
scolded an inspector general report for

2242
01:24:13,350 --> 01:24:10,639
putting pressure on somebody to help

2243
01:24:16,870 --> 01:24:13,360
grant a mafia connected person a casino

2244
01:24:19,590 --> 01:24:16,880
license the whistleblower who is has

2245
01:24:22,070 --> 01:24:19,600
been recorded and that recording is is

2246
01:24:23,830 --> 01:24:22,080
with people in dc about harry reid and

2247
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:23,840
his connections to those types of things

2248
01:24:29,189 --> 01:24:25,760
it's all there it's being run down

2249
01:24:31,510 --> 01:24:29,199
uh again i've heard those tapes um

2250
01:24:34,070 --> 01:24:31,520
we'll see what happens uh that's all in

2251
01:24:34,950 --> 01:24:34,080
there and then uh what you had happened

2252
01:24:35,750 --> 01:24:34,960
was

2253
01:24:38,709 --> 01:24:35,760
um

2254
01:24:39,669 --> 01:24:38,719
this being run down to the point where

2255
01:24:42,149 --> 01:24:39,679
uh

2256
01:24:43,910 --> 01:24:42,159
the investigators again will decide very

2257
01:24:45,750 --> 01:24:43,920
soon it will be after the first of the

2258
01:24:47,669 --> 01:24:45,760
year of course how far they're going to

2259
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:47,679
pursue this uh we want to know where the

2260
01:24:52,790 --> 01:24:50,560
money went we want to know uh you know

2261
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:52,800
where all the 22 million were accounted

2262
01:24:56,870 --> 01:24:54,480
for what did they get for it they got

2263
01:24:59,430 --> 01:24:56,880
nothing now here's the the thing that's

2264
01:25:01,110 --> 01:24:59,440
a shame about this it probably is the

2265
01:25:03,189 --> 01:25:01,120
case and this is what the whistleblower

2266
01:25:05,270 --> 01:25:03,199
said this person knows all about how

2267
01:25:07,350 --> 01:25:05,280
these contracts are written they said it

2268
01:25:09,590 --> 01:25:07,360
might be that the contract was written

2269
01:25:11,910 --> 01:25:09,600
in such a way that it gave bigelow the

2270
01:25:13,110 --> 01:25:11,920
right to keep all data that the

2271
01:25:15,910 --> 01:25:13,120
government

2272
01:25:17,590 --> 01:25:15,920
didn't officially take custody of if

2273
01:25:19,590 --> 01:25:17,600
that is the case

2274
01:25:22,550 --> 01:25:19,600
there could be multiple versions of the

2275
01:25:23,990 --> 01:25:22,560
so-called tic tac ufos there could be

2276
01:25:26,470 --> 01:25:24,000
we don't know what

2277
01:25:29,430 --> 01:25:26,480
because bigelow would not be under any

2278
01:25:30,950 --> 01:25:29,440
legal obligation to turn that over and

2279
01:25:33,750 --> 01:25:30,960
of course it could not be found and

2280
01:25:35,830 --> 01:25:33,760
wouldn't apply under foia laws and that

2281
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:35,840
is a disgraceful aspect of how these

2282
01:25:39,030 --> 01:25:37,920
contracts are written just like the way

2283
01:25:41,669 --> 01:25:39,040
the atep

2284
01:25:44,790 --> 01:25:41,679
contract was offered supposed open

2285
01:25:46,470 --> 01:25:44,800
public bid wink wink well as one of my

2286
01:25:48,229 --> 01:25:46,480
longtime friends at boeing said and i

2287
01:25:50,390 --> 01:25:48,239
know the game i saw it there when i

2288
01:25:52,310 --> 01:25:50,400
worked at boeing you can structure a

2289
01:25:54,950 --> 01:25:52,320
contract in a way where the winner of

2290
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:54,960
that contract is going to be pretty much

2291
01:25:59,750 --> 01:25:57,199
determined ahead of time

2292
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:59,760
yeah it's it's funny this no bid kind of

2293
01:26:03,590 --> 01:26:00,880
thing like

2294
01:26:06,390 --> 01:26:03,600
okay we need a subcontractor to help us

2295
01:26:08,390 --> 01:26:06,400
study ufos and bigelow's the only guy

2296
01:26:10,550 --> 01:26:08,400
he's friends with he's the only bitter

2297
01:26:13,590 --> 01:26:10,560
he gets the he gets the deal

2298
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:13,600
and he's friends with harry reid so

2299
01:26:18,229 --> 01:26:15,679
it doesn't look good

2300
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:18,239
no in fact let's say that i had bid on a

2301
01:26:22,709 --> 01:26:20,080
tip and it was a real thing what i would

2302
01:26:24,629 --> 01:26:22,719
have proposed is for a lot less money

2303
01:26:27,430 --> 01:26:24,639
just hire me at a normal government

2304
01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:27,440
salary rate i'll be the liaison between

2305
01:26:31,590 --> 01:26:29,440
all the agencies who run their vertical

2306
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:31,600
stovepipe ufo things anyway they've been

2307
01:26:35,830 --> 01:26:33,199
doing it for years

2308
01:26:37,110 --> 01:26:35,840
and try to say hey let's share data kind

2309
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:37,120
of like you're supposed to pull your

2310
01:26:42,550 --> 01:26:40,480
data uh that so-called uh firewall that

2311
01:26:46,390 --> 01:26:42,560
kept us from the fbi and cia from

2312
01:26:48,189 --> 01:26:46,400
sharing data on bin laden yeah 9 11

2313
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:48,199
post 9 11 they're supposed to be

2314
01:26:52,950 --> 01:26:50,960
intercommunicating more right and it's

2315
01:26:55,830 --> 01:26:52,960
actually becoming more fragmented again

2316
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:55,840
now but uh let me read to you one of

2317
01:27:00,390 --> 01:26:58,400
these slides here and this again was

2318
01:27:02,550 --> 01:27:00,400
turned into investigators

2319
01:27:05,590 --> 01:27:02,560
it says here all harry reid had to do

2320
01:27:07,910 --> 01:27:05,600
was ask it says here for the record the

2321
01:27:10,229 --> 01:27:07,920
air force's national air and space

2322
01:27:11,830 --> 01:27:10,239
intelligence center nasik at

2323
01:27:14,310 --> 01:27:11,840
wright-patterson air force base in

2324
01:27:17,910 --> 01:27:14,320
dayton ohio the location of the mythical

2325
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:17,920
hangar 18 in american and ufo folklore

2326
01:27:24,790 --> 01:27:21,840
is a key official entity that analyzes

2327
01:27:27,750 --> 01:27:24,800
aerial and space-based threats

2328
01:27:30,310 --> 01:27:27,760
ufos automagically fall under this

2329
01:27:33,350 --> 01:27:30,320
category other agencies have their own

2330
01:27:35,510 --> 01:27:33,360
processes for handling reports in other

2331
01:27:37,750 --> 01:27:35,520
words perceived threats or we don't know

2332
01:27:40,950 --> 01:27:37,760
what it was go find out

2333
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:40,960
so again i'm looking at their logo

2334
01:27:45,590 --> 01:27:43,760
it's got a triangle shape type craft i

2335
01:27:48,629 --> 01:27:45,600
mean it's all there it's even got a

2336
01:27:50,870 --> 01:27:48,639
sphinx on it it's official agency

2337
01:27:53,189 --> 01:27:50,880
all you do is pick up the damn phone

2338
01:27:54,709 --> 01:27:53,199
okay and also wouldn't that mean there

2339
01:27:57,110 --> 01:27:54,719
was already

2340
01:27:59,590 --> 01:27:57,120
somebody handling the responsibility of

2341
01:28:02,310 --> 01:27:59,600
aerial threat identification

2342
01:28:06,550 --> 01:28:02,320
so taking so taking 22 million and

2343
01:28:09,910 --> 01:28:07,990
that kind of sounds like something the

2344
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:09,920
government would do though because one

2345
01:28:13,510 --> 01:28:11,360
hand doesn't know what the other hand is

2346
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:13,520
doing maybe but

2347
01:28:17,990 --> 01:28:15,679
we'll be recreating something we already

2348
01:28:20,229 --> 01:28:18,000
have in place right

2349
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:20,239
but it's more than that because

2350
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:22,880
we've always had in place

2351
01:28:27,669 --> 01:28:26,000
a means to investigate ufo reports do

2352
01:28:29,830 --> 01:28:27,679
you think russia doesn't violate our

2353
01:28:31,590 --> 01:28:29,840
airspace all the time or you know put

2354
01:28:33,430 --> 01:28:31,600
satellites over where they shouldn't

2355
01:28:35,510 --> 01:28:33,440
launch balloons or china there's

2356
01:28:37,510 --> 01:28:35,520
incursions all the time

2357
01:28:40,550 --> 01:28:37,520
both deliberate and and accidental

2358
01:28:43,750 --> 01:28:40,560
pirates you name it so

2359
01:28:45,830 --> 01:28:43,760
you know remember the early memos from

2360
01:28:47,189 --> 01:28:45,840
the 40s and 50s about

2361
01:28:48,709 --> 01:28:47,199
um

2362
01:28:50,390 --> 01:28:48,719
the reports being routed through

2363
01:28:52,950 --> 01:28:50,400
military channels and are not part of

2364
01:28:58,550 --> 01:28:52,960
the blue book system there's always been

2365
01:29:01,669 --> 01:28:58,560
a me a way to report a ufo and you know

2366
01:29:02,950 --> 01:29:01,679
this is what cracks me up and and again

2367
01:29:04,229 --> 01:29:02,960
this is in some of the slides you're

2368
01:29:06,149 --> 01:29:04,239
going to get

2369
01:29:08,470 --> 01:29:06,159
one of the things that you have to hit

2370
01:29:11,590 --> 01:29:08,480
ufo researchers with

2371
01:29:14,229 --> 01:29:11,600
is what i call the mossad problem

2372
01:29:16,790 --> 01:29:14,239
okay mossad everyone would agree to a

2373
01:29:18,070 --> 01:29:16,800
man is the biggest baddest intelligence

2374
01:29:21,830 --> 01:29:18,080
agency

2375
01:29:23,189 --> 01:29:21,840
ever period they are the badasses okay

2376
01:29:24,550 --> 01:29:23,199
they're not the biggest but they are the

2377
01:29:26,870 --> 01:29:24,560
most powerful

2378
01:29:28,310 --> 01:29:26,880
so where are the secret roswell mossad

2379
01:29:31,510 --> 01:29:28,320
ufo files

2380
01:29:34,070 --> 01:29:31,520
they don't exist where's ufo mossad

2381
01:29:37,510 --> 01:29:34,080
anything files mossad doesn't give a

2382
01:29:39,590 --> 01:29:37,520
about ufos okay they're not into it

2383
01:29:42,149 --> 01:29:39,600
they don't care why because there's

2384
01:29:43,830 --> 01:29:42,159
nothing to be concerned about the alien

2385
01:29:45,910 --> 01:29:43,840
now there's two ways to view that either

2386
01:29:46,790 --> 01:29:45,920
aliens love jews

2387
01:29:49,189 --> 01:29:46,800
or

2388
01:29:52,390 --> 01:29:49,199
they just they just ain't coming here

2389
01:29:55,189 --> 01:29:52,400
like these nutters claim they are

2390
01:29:56,310 --> 01:29:55,199
and i'll bet you that's the answer

2391
01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:56,320
okay

2392
01:29:59,669 --> 01:29:57,760
now

2393
01:30:01,990 --> 01:29:59,679
again you you can't take that out of

2394
01:30:03,910 --> 01:30:02,000
there another thing part of this most

2395
01:30:05,669 --> 01:30:03,920
sock problem

2396
01:30:06,470 --> 01:30:05,679
i call it the cell phone problem you've

2397
01:30:08,229 --> 01:30:06,480
got

2398
01:30:10,070 --> 01:30:08,239
have to plan it with cell phones now

2399
01:30:12,870 --> 01:30:10,080
billions of cameras of

2400
01:30:14,950 --> 01:30:12,880
still in video where's the spike in all

2401
01:30:17,910 --> 01:30:14,960
the evidence all these ships flying

2402
01:30:20,629 --> 01:30:17,920
around there's a spike in cgi fakes but

2403
01:30:22,629 --> 01:30:20,639
even not to the degree based on cells of

2404
01:30:25,110 --> 01:30:22,639
the total number of phones it's still

2405
01:30:28,709 --> 01:30:25,120
such a small number it's flat lined on a

2406
01:30:30,229 --> 01:30:28,719
graph i did it myself compared to cells

2407
01:30:32,790 --> 01:30:30,239
okay so

2408
01:30:35,270 --> 01:30:32,800
where if all this stuff is going on like

2409
01:30:37,350 --> 01:30:35,280
like the internet indicates and the way

2410
01:30:38,629 --> 01:30:37,360
you read drudge there's ufo stuff every

2411
01:30:40,629 --> 01:30:38,639
other day now

2412
01:30:42,870 --> 01:30:40,639
well where's all the billions and

2413
01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:42,880
billions and billions of photos by now

2414
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:44,880
they're not there because it isn't

2415
01:30:50,149 --> 01:30:47,040
happening see you can't have it both

2416
01:30:52,070 --> 01:30:50,159
ways it's cause and effect

2417
01:30:55,270 --> 01:30:52,080
and and this is what i'm trying to bring

2418
01:30:58,149 --> 01:30:55,280
people back to and it's not fun it's

2419
01:31:00,950 --> 01:30:58,159
tedious but you know i remember in my

2420
01:31:03,189 --> 01:31:00,960
childhood this is where the buzz was

2421
01:31:05,189 --> 01:31:03,199
this is where the interest was you could

2422
01:31:08,390 --> 01:31:05,199
have conversations about this kind of

2423
01:31:09,910 --> 01:31:08,400
stuff with a heineken a friedman even

2424
01:31:11,990 --> 01:31:09,920
even if you agree to disagree you could

2425
01:31:13,350 --> 01:31:12,000
still be friends today

2426
01:31:14,629 --> 01:31:13,360
you better hope i don't find out where

2427
01:31:16,470 --> 01:31:14,639
you live because i want to kill you now

2428
01:31:17,750 --> 01:31:16,480
because you believe in billy meyer it's

2429
01:31:19,910 --> 01:31:17,760
ridiculous

2430
01:31:22,870 --> 01:31:19,920
and we've become so polarized that it's

2431
01:31:24,790 --> 01:31:22,880
now become mainstream to where you know

2432
01:31:26,550 --> 01:31:24,800
i've had people unfriend me just because

2433
01:31:28,629 --> 01:31:26,560
i predicted trump would win as a

2434
01:31:30,709 --> 01:31:28,639
journalist covered the whole campaign

2435
01:31:32,790 --> 01:31:30,719
although i didn't support him but i was

2436
01:31:33,910 --> 01:31:32,800
smart enough as an analyst to predict

2437
01:31:35,990 --> 01:31:33,920
he'd win

2438
01:31:38,629 --> 01:31:36,000
and yet i got unfriended for that by

2439
01:31:41,189 --> 01:31:38,639
fellow journalists ridiculous

2440
01:31:43,669 --> 01:31:41,199
yeah i've been uh unfriended and blocked

2441
01:31:46,470 --> 01:31:43,679
on twitter for stating something that

2442
01:31:47,590 --> 01:31:46,480
was factual about a case or you know and

2443
01:31:49,110 --> 01:31:47,600
i just go

2444
01:31:51,990 --> 01:31:49,120
well then you're not the kind of person

2445
01:31:53,910 --> 01:31:52,000
i want in my stream anyway

2446
01:31:56,229 --> 01:31:53,920
you know like it's kind of ridiculous

2447
01:31:59,270 --> 01:31:56,239
like look i've got you dead to rights

2448
01:32:01,030 --> 01:31:59,280
lying in this you know whatever and

2449
01:32:03,430 --> 01:32:01,040
here's the proof and the evidence and

2450
01:32:05,110 --> 01:32:03,440
like well we have to block this guy

2451
01:32:07,510 --> 01:32:05,120
you know

2452
01:32:09,110 --> 01:32:07,520
yeah i got blocked by ttsa and and

2453
01:32:10,790 --> 01:32:09,120
actually it took him longer to block me

2454
01:32:12,070 --> 01:32:10,800
than i thought they would i just kept

2455
01:32:13,990 --> 01:32:12,080
telling people hey you're being

2456
01:32:15,669 --> 01:32:14,000
investigated and you're gonna get this

2457
01:32:16,870 --> 01:32:15,679
complaint and i was just telling people

2458
01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:16,880
there were people

2459
01:32:20,229 --> 01:32:18,800
you know who were saying it wasn't true

2460
01:32:21,750 --> 01:32:20,239
he's like well you can't tell me it's

2461
01:32:24,070 --> 01:32:21,760
not true when you're not involved and

2462
01:32:26,709 --> 01:32:24,080
i've seen the stuff i'm part of the

2463
01:32:29,189 --> 01:32:26,719
group that's trying to move this forward

2464
01:32:32,470 --> 01:32:29,199
and um you know you're telling me it's

2465
01:32:34,149 --> 01:32:32,480
not true it's you know i i have no time

2466
01:32:36,229 --> 01:32:34,159
for you at that point you know i

2467
01:32:38,470 --> 01:32:36,239
remember when my myer book first came

2468
01:32:40,390 --> 01:32:38,480
out or when word leaked out actually

2469
01:32:44,149 --> 01:32:40,400
that my myer expose was coming out from

2470
01:32:46,229 --> 01:32:44,159
prometheus they denied i was there

2471
01:32:47,189 --> 01:32:46,239
they said i was lying

2472
01:32:51,189 --> 01:32:47,199
and

2473
01:32:53,030 --> 01:32:51,199
the encounter show jim delatosa was

2474
01:32:54,709 --> 01:32:53,040
that i was not there but he found out i

2475
01:32:57,030 --> 01:32:54,719
was and um

2476
01:32:59,590 --> 01:32:57,040
you know the rest is history as they say

2477
01:33:01,030 --> 01:32:59,600
so i have no time for people who tell me

2478
01:33:01,830 --> 01:33:01,040
something they're not in a position to

2479
01:33:10,070 --> 01:33:01,840
know

2480
01:33:11,510 --> 01:33:10,080
and i've really got to be a stickler

2481
01:33:13,189 --> 01:33:11,520
about this and it's going to be

2482
01:33:15,189 --> 01:33:13,199
interesting now

2483
01:33:17,030 --> 01:33:15,199
to see what happens because with shows

2484
01:33:18,709 --> 01:33:17,040
like yours and other ones that are out

2485
01:33:20,070 --> 01:33:18,719
there

2486
01:33:22,310 --> 01:33:20,080
let's see what happens to some of the

2487
01:33:24,470 --> 01:33:22,320
guest lineups says these exposes come

2488
01:33:26,310 --> 01:33:24,480
out because they're hard-hitting and

2489
01:33:28,310 --> 01:33:26,320
foundational that's why in the slide as

2490
01:33:31,030 --> 01:33:28,320
you'll see the illustration for these

2491
01:33:33,350 --> 01:33:31,040
cases is a marble pillar because they're

2492
01:33:34,709 --> 01:33:33,360
pillars of ufology that are now

2493
01:33:36,950 --> 01:33:34,719
crumbling

2494
01:33:37,669 --> 01:33:36,960
because it's time to get the truth out

2495
01:33:39,430 --> 01:33:37,679
there

2496
01:33:42,149 --> 01:33:39,440
you know i i had an interesting

2497
01:33:43,830 --> 01:33:42,159
conversation with a friend uh and friend

2498
01:33:46,470 --> 01:33:43,840
of the show who

2499
01:33:47,830 --> 01:33:46,480
uh you know is a big believer in a lot

2500
01:33:49,510 --> 01:33:47,840
of this stuff

2501
01:33:52,149 --> 01:33:49,520
and uh you know for a time for some of

2502
01:33:53,350 --> 01:33:52,159
this stuff i was as well uh

2503
01:33:55,030 --> 01:33:53,360
you know and

2504
01:33:57,430 --> 01:33:55,040
he was kind of saying like

2505
01:34:00,310 --> 01:33:57,440
you know it's just

2506
01:34:02,390 --> 01:34:00,320
fun to to read about these things and

2507
01:34:04,149 --> 01:34:02,400
and to think about them and

2508
01:34:06,070 --> 01:34:04,159
sometimes it doesn't matter if they're

2509
01:34:08,629 --> 01:34:06,080
true or not and i think that's a kind of

2510
01:34:10,310 --> 01:34:08,639
dangerous way to go about things but

2511
01:34:11,830 --> 01:34:10,320
what do you say to the people that this

2512
01:34:13,750 --> 01:34:11,840
is just enter it's a form of

2513
01:34:16,470 --> 01:34:13,760
entertainment for sure i mean and it's

2514
01:34:18,550 --> 01:34:16,480
getting much more popular now

2515
01:34:20,470 --> 01:34:18,560
no it this pendulum is just swinging

2516
01:34:22,629 --> 01:34:20,480
around again that's all the moment

2517
01:34:24,470 --> 01:34:22,639
there's another 911 type attack in the

2518
01:34:26,229 --> 01:34:24,480
u.s because we've gotten lazy fat dumb

2519
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:26,239
and happy fatter

2520
01:34:33,750 --> 01:34:29,600
now not necessarily happier um

2521
01:34:35,830 --> 01:34:33,760
people won't care again i remember

2522
01:34:36,790 --> 01:34:35,840
what happened after a millennial madness

2523
01:34:39,430 --> 01:34:36,800
passed

2524
01:34:42,229 --> 01:34:39,440
once 9 11 happened initially nobody

2525
01:34:44,149 --> 01:34:42,239
cared about ufos i talked to many ex

2526
01:34:46,310 --> 01:34:44,159
network network executives because i was

2527
01:34:48,149 --> 01:34:46,320
doing record number shows myself even

2528
01:34:49,830 --> 01:34:48,159
producing them i helped produce them

2529
01:34:52,310 --> 01:34:49,840
from europe

2530
01:34:54,390 --> 01:34:52,320
for fox and um

2531
01:34:56,070 --> 01:34:54,400
they uh said that until aliens are

2532
01:34:57,189 --> 01:34:56,080
putting on suicide bombing vests we

2533
01:34:59,430 --> 01:34:57,199
don't care

2534
01:35:01,189 --> 01:34:59,440
and so it is swung around again because

2535
01:35:04,149 --> 01:35:01,199
it's about that time

2536
01:35:07,510 --> 01:35:04,159
um it's it's a pendulum swing and we've

2537
01:35:09,189 --> 01:35:07,520
become an anniversary society and even

2538
01:35:10,950 --> 01:35:09,199
drudge running these reports now they

2539
01:35:13,750 --> 01:35:10,960
tend to be from the same sources over

2540
01:35:15,990 --> 01:35:13,760
and over the sun the british tabloids

2541
01:35:17,830 --> 01:35:16,000
popular mechanics the intercept so on

2542
01:35:19,430 --> 01:35:17,840
i'm not criticizing those publications

2543
01:35:21,990 --> 01:35:19,440
but i'm simply saying

2544
01:35:24,070 --> 01:35:22,000
there's a kind of a me too thing going

2545
01:35:27,030 --> 01:35:24,080
on it's good for ratings and clicks yes

2546
01:35:28,390 --> 01:35:27,040
the interest is there absolutely but i

2547
01:35:31,030 --> 01:35:28,400
agree with you

2548
01:35:32,310 --> 01:35:31,040
that believing that

2549
01:35:35,750 --> 01:35:32,320
that

2550
01:35:38,229 --> 01:35:35,760
unreality or non-reality is reality is

2551
01:35:39,830 --> 01:35:38,239
dangerous and then we must remember

2552
01:35:40,629 --> 01:35:39,840
these people vote

2553
01:35:42,950 --> 01:35:40,639
okay

2554
01:35:45,109 --> 01:35:42,960
and that's really scary i think if you

2555
01:35:48,390 --> 01:35:45,119
believe uncle sam has aliens stuffed

2556
01:35:49,750 --> 01:35:48,400
away in pickle jars at area 51

2557
01:35:51,990 --> 01:35:49,760
well

2558
01:35:53,590 --> 01:35:52,000
i don't think i want you determining

2559
01:35:55,750 --> 01:35:53,600
who's going to be the next president of

2560
01:35:58,310 --> 01:35:55,760
the united states in fact i think you

2561
01:35:59,510 --> 01:35:58,320
shouldn't vote i i worry about that i

2562
01:36:01,270 --> 01:35:59,520
really do

2563
01:36:04,629 --> 01:36:01,280
uh i would worry if that same kind of

2564
01:36:07,109 --> 01:36:04,639
person had a deadly weapon because

2565
01:36:09,189 --> 01:36:07,119
people don't look at why they believed

2566
01:36:11,350 --> 01:36:09,199
what they believed when i found out

2567
01:36:13,350 --> 01:36:11,360
roswell was mobile

2568
01:36:15,350 --> 01:36:13,360
and i first found out in washington dc

2569
01:36:17,030 --> 01:36:15,360
when i was visiting there after doing

2570
01:36:19,750 --> 01:36:17,040
the kennedy show

2571
01:36:22,310 --> 01:36:19,760
and um on cnn and um

2572
01:36:24,390 --> 01:36:22,320
i thought well okay i i

2573
01:36:26,550 --> 01:36:24,400
if someone else doesn't figure this out

2574
01:36:29,350 --> 01:36:26,560
then i'll step forward and say something

2575
01:36:31,270 --> 01:36:29,360
and i did because i had to i felt a

2576
01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:31,280
obligation to

2577
01:36:36,790 --> 01:36:33,760
but the moment i found out it was mobile

2578
01:36:38,229 --> 01:36:36,800
i asked myself why i missed that

2579
01:36:39,510 --> 01:36:38,239
and then i started looking over

2580
01:36:42,229 --> 01:36:39,520
everything and then when i got major

2581
01:36:44,790 --> 01:36:42,239
jesse marcel's uh once classified

2582
01:36:46,229 --> 01:36:44,800
military file which nobody had had then

2583
01:36:48,390 --> 01:36:46,239
i saw how

2584
01:36:51,109 --> 01:36:48,400
i was fooled because i didn't know he

2585
01:36:52,550 --> 01:36:51,119
was a liar and a fraud and made stuff up

2586
01:36:54,790 --> 01:36:52,560
even about his own

2587
01:36:55,990 --> 01:36:54,800
background which didn't exist it's all

2588
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:56,000
in his file

2589
01:37:00,950 --> 01:36:58,159
no question and to this day

2590
01:37:04,870 --> 01:37:00,960
the believers ignore it

2591
01:37:07,030 --> 01:37:04,880
you know it's pathetic it is pathetic

2592
01:37:09,270 --> 01:37:07,040
and one other thing i want to say too

2593
01:37:10,550 --> 01:37:09,280
and i mentioned this to chan hannah the

2594
01:37:13,990 --> 01:37:10,560
other day

2595
01:37:16,229 --> 01:37:14,000
online on her facebook thing

2596
01:37:17,830 --> 01:37:16,239
you know it's it's neat to have these

2597
01:37:19,669 --> 01:37:17,840
tools for

2598
01:37:20,950 --> 01:37:19,679
whatever we've got smartphones and so on

2599
01:37:23,189 --> 01:37:20,960
in the right hands they can help with

2600
01:37:25,109 --> 01:37:23,199
investigations but no matter what the

2601
01:37:27,510 --> 01:37:25,119
tool is if you're putting garbage in you

2602
01:37:29,109 --> 01:37:27,520
get garbage out and the problem is when

2603
01:37:31,590 --> 01:37:29,119
people can't even use the word to bunker

2604
01:37:35,750 --> 01:37:31,600
right no matter how good your iphone is

2605
01:37:40,709 --> 01:37:38,470
yeah i i definitely agree with you like

2606
01:37:42,550 --> 01:37:40,719
i i can see it in my own work i know

2607
01:37:45,590 --> 01:37:42,560
when i really put the time in and the

2608
01:37:49,030 --> 01:37:45,600
effort in to do good research you know

2609
01:37:50,709 --> 01:37:49,040
it kind of shows and i don't know a lot

2610
01:37:51,750 --> 01:37:50,719
of a lot of these people just kind of

2611
01:37:56,310 --> 01:37:51,760
take

2612
01:37:58,070 --> 01:37:56,320
and believe it

2613
01:38:00,229 --> 01:37:58,080
they do and what they've done is they've

2614
01:38:02,070 --> 01:38:00,239
turned it upside down debunking which

2615
01:38:04,550 --> 01:38:02,080
means by definition look it up in a

2616
01:38:07,270 --> 01:38:04,560
dictionary and that's why every single

2617
01:38:08,870 --> 01:38:07,280
book edition volume of ufology or

2618
01:38:09,750 --> 01:38:08,880
theology with rob mcconnell is going to

2619
01:38:10,629 --> 01:38:09,760
have

2620
01:38:12,390 --> 01:38:10,639
uh

2621
01:38:15,430 --> 01:38:12,400
those pages in there from the dictionary

2622
01:38:18,149 --> 01:38:15,440
to teach people common sense they even

2623
01:38:19,510 --> 01:38:18,159
know what the word means if you

2624
01:38:21,669 --> 01:38:19,520
point it out to them for a moment they

2625
01:38:23,430 --> 01:38:21,679
know what decaffeinated means they know

2626
01:38:25,189 --> 01:38:23,440
what deicing means so of course they

2627
01:38:26,950 --> 01:38:25,199
know what debunking means but their

2628
01:38:29,030 --> 01:38:26,960
emotions get in the way of their logic

2629
01:38:30,870 --> 01:38:29,040
and that's the problem so

2630
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:30,880
what uh

2631
01:38:36,149 --> 01:38:34,480
what we want to do is get it out there

2632
01:38:37,990 --> 01:38:36,159
put it on the internet so that when

2633
01:38:40,149 --> 01:38:38,000
somebody googles it in the future about

2634
01:38:41,910 --> 01:38:40,159
annie jacobson roswell lazar they will

2635
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:41,920
at least see this other side that's not

2636
01:38:45,350 --> 01:38:43,520
what they're seeing now because the

2637
01:38:47,350 --> 01:38:45,360
other side has taken over

2638
01:38:49,669 --> 01:38:47,360
and then it's up to people to believe

2639
01:38:51,189 --> 01:38:49,679
what they want to believe

2640
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:51,199
it's up to them

2641
01:38:55,270 --> 01:38:52,719
i do think you have to hold them

2642
01:38:56,950 --> 01:38:55,280
accountable i do think you have to not

2643
01:38:59,109 --> 01:38:56,960
let them get away with what they get

2644
01:39:01,510 --> 01:38:59,119
away with it is not fun

2645
01:39:03,109 --> 01:39:01,520
but if you don't do it they win and you

2646
01:39:04,870 --> 01:39:03,119
might as well not even say anything at

2647
01:39:06,790 --> 01:39:04,880
that point because it's a one-way

2648
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:06,800
so-called conversation what i was going

2649
01:39:11,030 --> 01:39:09,119
to say too in response to your point

2650
01:39:13,510 --> 01:39:11,040
which you're spot on

2651
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:13,520
in my time in the ufo field in the

2652
01:39:18,470 --> 01:39:16,480
decades where we didn't have computers

2653
01:39:20,149 --> 01:39:18,480
but we made a point to talk to each

2654
01:39:21,910 --> 01:39:20,159
other because you had to really do that

2655
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:21,920
a lot to try to get things done you went

2656
01:39:26,470 --> 01:39:24,560
out on these investigations field trips

2657
01:39:27,590 --> 01:39:26,480
and so on

2658
01:39:31,270 --> 01:39:27,600
um

2659
01:39:33,910 --> 01:39:31,280
it used to be that ufo that the alien

2660
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:33,920
explanation was the last thing that you

2661
01:39:37,590 --> 01:39:35,600
championed because you eliminated

2662
01:39:39,430 --> 01:39:37,600
everything else today

2663
01:39:42,229 --> 01:39:39,440
it's the first thing they look for and

2664
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:42,239
then they'll find something to force fit

2665
01:39:46,790 --> 01:39:44,639
it the tic tacs are the perfect example

2666
01:39:49,350 --> 01:39:46,800
and i've been around and around with

2667
01:39:51,430 --> 01:39:49,360
some of these believers over this

2668
01:39:54,470 --> 01:39:51,440
they think that the

2669
01:39:56,870 --> 01:39:54,480
summary report of that incident

2670
01:40:00,229 --> 01:39:56,880
from nap that was published that's not

2671
01:40:02,870 --> 01:40:00,239
an official account that is a summary of

2672
01:40:03,830 --> 01:40:02,880
other stuff so it's not a first-hand

2673
01:40:05,750 --> 01:40:03,840
report

2674
01:40:07,990 --> 01:40:05,760
it's considered to be gospel which is

2675
01:40:09,669 --> 01:40:08,000
wrong it's like a copy of the bible and

2676
01:40:11,350 --> 01:40:09,679
they say oh that's original manuscript

2677
01:40:13,030 --> 01:40:11,360
no it's not

2678
01:40:14,709 --> 01:40:13,040
so everything in there cannot be taken

2679
01:40:16,790 --> 01:40:14,719
at face value and the pilot says it took

2680
01:40:18,950 --> 01:40:16,800
off faster than the speed of sound

2681
01:40:21,030 --> 01:40:18,960
that's not proof it really was flying at

2682
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:21,040
faster than the speed of sound if you

2683
01:40:25,910 --> 01:40:23,280
look at the speed readings

2684
01:40:28,470 --> 01:40:25,920
on the visual display of the cockpit of

2685
01:40:30,070 --> 01:40:28,480
these videos they aren't going at the

2686
01:40:31,669 --> 01:40:30,080
speed of sound they're only going a

2687
01:40:34,310 --> 01:40:31,679
couple hundred kilometers an hour not

2688
01:40:36,470 --> 01:40:34,320
very fast at all and one of the pilots

2689
01:40:38,550 --> 01:40:36,480
clearly says if the audio is real and

2690
01:40:42,070 --> 01:40:38,560
not dubbed that it's a fleet of drones

2691
01:40:45,430 --> 01:40:43,510
i have off that's the first thing i

2692
01:40:46,629 --> 01:40:45,440
thought of when i first saw these videos

2693
01:40:48,870 --> 01:40:46,639
is that that's

2694
01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:48,880
could be a drone it could very easily be

2695
01:40:52,390 --> 01:40:51,119
an unmanned aerial vehicle or some sort

2696
01:40:54,390 --> 01:40:52,400
of drone

2697
01:40:56,709 --> 01:40:54,400
and yeah

2698
01:40:58,149 --> 01:40:56,719
yeah well that's cool that i get to hear

2699
01:41:00,709 --> 01:40:58,159
it from you this is kind of what i

2700
01:41:02,550 --> 01:41:00,719
thought and i also thought

2701
01:41:04,149 --> 01:41:02,560
the same as you to jump right to the

2702
01:41:05,510 --> 01:41:04,159
alien explanation before you've

2703
01:41:07,350 --> 01:41:05,520
exhausted

2704
01:41:10,229 --> 01:41:07,360
the other possibilities

2705
01:41:12,310 --> 01:41:10,239
especially so near to some of those

2706
01:41:14,070 --> 01:41:12,320
like the skunk works test sites where

2707
01:41:15,189 --> 01:41:14,080
some of this stuff took place yeah yeah

2708
01:41:19,750 --> 01:41:15,199
yeah

2709
01:41:21,109 --> 01:41:19,760
anything else doesn't matter in

2710
01:41:22,950 --> 01:41:21,119
principle

2711
01:41:24,550 --> 01:41:22,960
you must eliminate everything else then

2712
01:41:26,950 --> 01:41:24,560
whatever is left

2713
01:41:28,870 --> 01:41:26,960
is alien okay it must be the very last

2714
01:41:31,350 --> 01:41:28,880
thing you consider there's a bar to be

2715
01:41:33,910 --> 01:41:31,360
met to be credible now one other thing

2716
01:41:35,109 --> 01:41:33,920
too that gets even worse and you've seen

2717
01:41:37,510 --> 01:41:35,119
this

2718
01:41:39,109 --> 01:41:37,520
not only do they say well pilots has a

2719
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:39,119
full fast speed of sound so it must have

2720
01:41:43,590 --> 01:41:41,520
but the way it suddenly stopped and made

2721
01:41:45,109 --> 01:41:43,600
right angle turns and whatever it would

2722
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:45,119
have killed any human being with

2723
01:41:49,750 --> 01:41:47,600
g-forces well you just set up a phony

2724
01:41:51,830 --> 01:41:49,760
straw man argument you're assuming for

2725
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:51,840
one that there's something living in

2726
01:41:55,430 --> 01:41:54,239
there to begin with you can't make that

2727
01:41:57,109 --> 01:41:55,440
assumption

2728
01:41:58,070 --> 01:41:57,119
you might as well say it would kill a

2729
01:41:59,830 --> 01:41:58,080
well

2730
01:42:01,990 --> 01:41:59,840
if he were stuck in the desert too for

2731
01:42:04,070 --> 01:42:02,000
five hours well no kidding but it's not

2732
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:04,080
relevant to it you can't prove there's a

2733
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:06,400
connection most of the stuff we send

2734
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:09,679
into space hello has no people in it

2735
01:42:14,229 --> 01:42:11,760
it's never going to because it's not

2736
01:42:15,750 --> 01:42:14,239
practical even if we were star trek

2737
01:42:19,430 --> 01:42:15,760
technology

2738
01:42:20,950 --> 01:42:19,440
unmanned makes sense so if it is ours or

2739
01:42:22,550 --> 01:42:20,960
somebody from earth i don't believe it's

2740
01:42:25,030 --> 01:42:22,560
alien for one minute because it doesn't

2741
01:42:27,350 --> 01:42:25,040
meet that far so i'm evil i'm a disinfo

2742
01:42:30,470 --> 01:42:27,360
guy suddenly

2743
01:42:33,109 --> 01:42:30,480
it was not manned most likely play the

2744
01:42:35,430 --> 01:42:33,119
odds okay and if it's not man it can do

2745
01:42:38,629 --> 01:42:35,440
a lot more fancy things than if it were

2746
01:42:40,470 --> 01:42:38,639
hello but don't sit there and say well

2747
01:42:42,229 --> 01:42:40,480
more evidence it must be not from here

2748
01:42:43,669 --> 01:42:42,239
because you know it would kill a human

2749
01:42:45,510 --> 01:42:43,679
being if it were in there

2750
01:42:47,510 --> 01:42:45,520
who says one's in there

2751
01:42:49,350 --> 01:42:47,520
they do they just make it up they pull

2752
01:42:50,709 --> 01:42:49,360
it out of their vibrations their own

2753
01:42:53,750 --> 01:42:50,719
argument

2754
01:42:56,390 --> 01:42:53,760
could also be used to point to the drone

2755
01:42:57,750 --> 01:42:56,400
explanation because yeah of course

2756
01:42:59,669 --> 01:42:57,760
of course

2757
01:43:02,229 --> 01:42:59,679
vehicle can do

2758
01:43:03,750 --> 01:43:02,239
maneuvers and not worry about a human

2759
01:43:05,990 --> 01:43:03,760
pilot

2760
01:43:08,149 --> 01:43:06,000
yeah and what i found out when i was

2761
01:43:10,149 --> 01:43:08,159
reporting on the aegis

2762
01:43:12,070 --> 01:43:10,159
talking about it from india writing

2763
01:43:14,550 --> 01:43:12,080
about this stuff because the wild card

2764
01:43:16,629 --> 01:43:14,560
question was how much of a partner is

2765
01:43:18,870 --> 01:43:16,639
india going to be in the aegis alliance

2766
01:43:20,790 --> 01:43:18,880
because we need india to help corral

2767
01:43:22,149 --> 01:43:20,800
china we're not going to stop china but

2768
01:43:24,229 --> 01:43:22,159
india has too many people they're going

2769
01:43:26,070 --> 01:43:24,239
to pass china in population to ignore

2770
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:26,080
them and they want to be

2771
01:43:29,750 --> 01:43:27,360
part of the

2772
01:43:32,950 --> 01:43:29,760
aegis alliance vietnam others are you

2773
01:43:35,350 --> 01:43:32,960
know have joined okay so they turn this

2774
01:43:37,350 --> 01:43:35,360
radar on and lo and behold the ufos what

2775
01:43:39,669 --> 01:43:37,360
perfect timing you know

2776
01:43:41,270 --> 01:43:39,679
no what happens is as they calibrate the

2777
01:43:43,510 --> 01:43:41,280
radar and adjust it and work out the

2778
01:43:44,470 --> 01:43:43,520
bugs things like ice crystals get

2779
01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:44,480
tracked

2780
01:43:48,629 --> 01:43:46,480
in huge numbers and they fall down all

2781
01:43:50,310 --> 01:43:48,639
the time they don't stay up and float

2782
01:43:51,350 --> 01:43:50,320
and then you know they melt and then

2783
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:51,360
they're gone

2784
01:43:53,830 --> 01:43:52,560
and the next thing you know they're

2785
01:43:55,750 --> 01:43:53,840
looking at something in the water oh it

2786
01:43:58,070 --> 01:43:55,760
must be the same thing no it was a

2787
01:44:00,229 --> 01:43:58,080
hodgepodge of incidents

2788
01:44:01,030 --> 01:44:00,239
and then they were all conflated into

2789
01:44:06,470 --> 01:44:01,040
this

2790
01:44:09,030 --> 01:44:06,480
encapsulating some of it but not

2791
01:44:11,510 --> 01:44:09,040
firsthand stuff was in there and then of

2792
01:44:13,030 --> 01:44:11,520
course fravor's testimony contradicts

2793
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:13,040
the other witnesses

2794
01:44:17,990 --> 01:44:15,840
uh it's comical if you make a graph of

2795
01:44:19,750 --> 01:44:18,000
what they each claim and say

2796
01:44:20,709 --> 01:44:19,760
they don't even agree with each other

2797
01:44:23,669 --> 01:44:20,719
you know

2798
01:44:25,910 --> 01:44:23,679
so there you go

2799
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:25,920
wow well you've given us a great many

2800
01:44:29,990 --> 01:44:28,080
things to think about cal

2801
01:44:33,350 --> 01:44:30,000
why don't you tell my listeners how they

2802
01:44:35,030 --> 01:44:33,360
can get your books

2803
01:44:37,270 --> 01:44:35,040
well my books are available on

2804
01:44:39,750 --> 01:44:37,280
amazon.com just search on kalkwarf

2805
01:44:42,149 --> 01:44:39,760
k-a-l-k-o-r-f-f

2806
01:44:43,990 --> 01:44:42,159
and you'll see them the roswell ufo

2807
01:44:45,510 --> 01:44:44,000
crash what they don't want you to know i

2808
01:44:46,870 --> 01:44:45,520
think it's got four stars or something

2809
01:44:48,709 --> 01:44:46,880
like that i don't know and then the

2810
01:44:49,590 --> 01:44:48,719
spacious of the pleiades the billy meyer

2811
01:44:50,790 --> 01:44:49,600
story

2812
01:44:52,950 --> 01:44:50,800
um

2813
01:44:55,189 --> 01:44:52,960
i am the author of like 12 books or so

2814
01:44:57,590 --> 01:44:55,199
but they're being transferred over to

2815
01:45:00,070 --> 01:44:57,600
amazon uh some titles were only

2816
01:45:02,470 --> 01:45:00,080
available on ibooks i have taken those

2817
01:45:04,950 --> 01:45:02,480
off and they're going to be on amazon

2818
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:04,960
shortly so and then the annie jacobson

2819
01:45:10,629 --> 01:45:07,679
book is going to be on amazon so will uh

2820
01:45:12,310 --> 01:45:10,639
the expose on the hill star map

2821
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:12,320
and then there's

2822
01:45:16,870 --> 01:45:14,159
uh the first volume called final verdict

2823
01:45:18,790 --> 01:45:16,880
jfk's murder salt assassination salt

2824
01:45:20,709 --> 01:45:18,800
that one is volume one is about the

2825
01:45:22,790 --> 01:45:20,719
grassy knoll eyewitnesses and it

2826
01:45:25,669 --> 01:45:22,800
destroys the conspiracy claims of oliver

2827
01:45:27,750 --> 01:45:25,679
stone and jim mars i knew jim mars of

2828
01:45:30,310 --> 01:45:27,760
course but when he tells me that gene

2829
01:45:32,310 --> 01:45:30,320
hill chased the gunman and saw him and

2830
01:45:34,550 --> 01:45:32,320
all that when she's in a bright red

2831
01:45:36,310 --> 01:45:34,560
raincoat and she's the only one not

2832
01:45:38,229 --> 01:45:36,320
crossing the street and she's visible in

2833
01:45:40,950 --> 01:45:38,239
photos that day she wasn't telling the

2834
01:45:42,870 --> 01:45:40,960
truth but yet today like these roswell

2835
01:45:44,390 --> 01:45:42,880
guys she's the most credible grassy

2836
01:45:46,629 --> 01:45:44,400
nolight witness they have

2837
01:45:50,950 --> 01:45:46,639
and she was a complete liar

2838
01:45:55,430 --> 01:45:52,629
well i want to thank

2839
01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:55,440
kalkur for taking the time tonight to

2840
01:45:59,189 --> 01:45:58,400
provide us with so very much to think

2841
01:46:00,070 --> 01:45:59,199
about

2842
01:46:02,070 --> 01:46:00,080
you know

2843
01:46:05,510 --> 01:46:02,080
friends every time i talk to calcorph he

2844
01:46:08,950 --> 01:46:05,520
has a wealth of information to share and

2845
01:46:11,430 --> 01:46:08,960
things that he is working on

2846
01:46:14,229 --> 01:46:11,440
i also just want to take a quick moment

2847
01:46:15,669 --> 01:46:14,239
to mention that

2848
01:46:17,430 --> 01:46:15,679
uh you know i talked about this

2849
01:46:21,510 --> 01:46:17,440
previously i really don't want to harp

2850
01:46:24,310 --> 01:46:21,520
on it but the original plan was for uh

2851
01:46:26,149 --> 01:46:24,320
michael horn to come on and do my show

2852
01:46:28,149 --> 01:46:26,159
and he would say his piece on the billy

2853
01:46:30,550 --> 01:46:28,159
meyer case and then

2854
01:46:33,430 --> 01:46:30,560
uh kalkorf would get his chance to come

2855
01:46:35,109 --> 01:46:33,440
on my show and say his piece about the

2856
01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:35,119
billy meyer case and all the undercover

2857
01:46:39,109 --> 01:46:36,000
work

2858
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:39,119
uh that he did proving it's a ufo cult

2859
01:46:43,830 --> 01:46:42,239
and a scam i'm thoroughly convinced

2860
01:46:45,990 --> 01:46:43,840
but i just want to say to all those

2861
01:46:48,950 --> 01:46:46,000
people who are true believers of billy

2862
01:46:51,430 --> 01:46:48,960
meyer who continually attack me for

2863
01:46:53,510 --> 01:46:51,440
having kale on my show now this is the

2864
01:46:57,109 --> 01:46:53,520
second time so i'm sure another round of

2865
01:47:00,870 --> 01:46:57,119
insults and nasty emails nasty tweets

2866
01:47:03,109 --> 01:47:00,880
nasty messages is coming my way

2867
01:47:05,590 --> 01:47:03,119
what i would say is uh you know you're

2868
01:47:07,510 --> 01:47:05,600
free to attack the man's evidence you're

2869
01:47:09,910 --> 01:47:07,520
free to attack the man's work if you

2870
01:47:11,910 --> 01:47:09,920
think his work is not credible but all

2871
01:47:14,310 --> 01:47:11,920
these personal attacks that continually

2872
01:47:16,229 --> 01:47:14,320
just come you know telling me about

2873
01:47:18,550 --> 01:47:16,239
something that happened 20 years ago

2874
01:47:21,189 --> 01:47:18,560
three or even 30 years ago in one case

2875
01:47:24,149 --> 01:47:21,199
and playing me old you know sending me

2876
01:47:24,950 --> 01:47:24,159
links to old videos where cows kind of

2877
01:47:27,590 --> 01:47:24,960
uh

2878
01:47:29,590 --> 01:47:27,600
i'm almost goofing on people

2879
01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:29,600
you know i'm really not interested

2880
01:47:32,950 --> 01:47:30,800
because

2881
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:32,960
you can attack

2882
01:47:37,830 --> 01:47:35,040
the man's work

2883
01:47:39,430 --> 01:47:37,840
right or you can attack the man

2884
01:47:41,270 --> 01:47:39,440
and since these

2885
01:47:43,750 --> 01:47:41,280
people that are such billy meyer

2886
01:47:46,229 --> 01:47:43,760
believers

2887
01:47:48,790 --> 01:47:46,239
can't really attack his work as being

2888
01:47:50,870 --> 01:47:48,800
not credible not true not factually

2889
01:47:52,790 --> 01:47:50,880
accurate

2890
01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:52,800
then they're going to attack the man

2891
01:47:58,149 --> 01:47:55,199
and you know i honestly i see this time

2892
01:48:02,149 --> 01:47:58,159
and time again people do this to me

2893
01:48:04,470 --> 01:48:02,159
i've been called a satanist a luciferian

2894
01:48:08,030 --> 01:48:04,480
an illuminati member

2895
01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:08,040
uh a freemason let me see a cia

2896
01:48:13,109 --> 01:48:11,119
disinformation agent let me get them all

2897
01:48:15,189 --> 01:48:13,119
a government plant

2898
01:48:16,950 --> 01:48:15,199
sent into the ufo community to muddy the

2899
01:48:18,470 --> 01:48:16,960
waters and tell everybody that none of

2900
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:18,480
these stories are true

2901
01:48:21,350 --> 01:48:19,840
you know i never said none of the

2902
01:48:23,590 --> 01:48:21,360
stories are true i said a lot of them

2903
01:48:25,910 --> 01:48:23,600
are not true

2904
01:48:29,109 --> 01:48:25,920
but here we go again this is what i see

2905
01:48:31,910 --> 01:48:29,119
time and time again if these people

2906
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:31,920
that are selling ufo fairy tales can't

2907
01:48:35,830 --> 01:48:34,080
attack the man saying the stories aren't

2908
01:48:37,270 --> 01:48:35,840
true the man that has proof that the

2909
01:48:39,510 --> 01:48:37,280
stories are fake

2910
01:48:41,430 --> 01:48:39,520
then they attack the man and that's what

2911
01:48:43,590 --> 01:48:41,440
we see in the case of kalkorf all these

2912
01:48:45,669 --> 01:48:43,600
people sending me nasty messages you

2913
01:48:47,830 --> 01:48:45,679
know i would say if you have a personal

2914
01:48:48,950 --> 01:48:47,840
vendetta against mr korf then take it up

2915
01:48:52,070 --> 01:48:48,960
with him

2916
01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:52,080
i am doing the very best that i can

2917
01:48:57,189 --> 01:48:54,239
to get good guests

2918
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:57,199
and provide my listeners with uh

2919
01:49:02,550 --> 01:48:59,840
you know information that is really

2920
01:49:04,310 --> 01:49:02,560
getting increasingly harder and harder

2921
01:49:05,590 --> 01:49:04,320
to find

2922
01:49:17,109 --> 01:49:05,600
so

2923
01:49:19,109 --> 01:49:17,119
like that then feel free message me

2924
01:49:22,629 --> 01:49:19,119
tweet whatever you want to do

2925
01:49:24,709 --> 01:49:22,639
but don't simply just send me uh nasty

2926
01:49:26,629 --> 01:49:24,719
messages because you hate

2927
01:49:29,589 --> 01:49:26,639
a particular guest that i've had because

2928
01:49:31,109 --> 01:49:29,599
he sort of you know destroyed your

2929
01:49:32,629 --> 01:49:31,119
delusions

2930
01:49:35,910 --> 01:49:32,639
and that's what it is in some of these

2931
01:49:37,910 --> 01:49:35,920
cases you know and sorry i'm not sorry

2932
01:49:40,629 --> 01:49:37,920
i'm gonna keep bringing my listeners

2933
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:40,639
people that are gonna bring real

2934
01:49:45,830 --> 01:49:43,360
information to people

2935
01:49:47,510 --> 01:49:45,840
and i gotta say that uh

2936
01:49:49,030 --> 01:49:47,520
you know this stuff just keeps getting

2937
01:49:51,270 --> 01:49:49,040
worse

2938
01:49:53,750 --> 01:49:51,280
you know what what am i supposed to do

2939
01:49:55,830 --> 01:49:53,760
am i supposed to have you know uh your

2940
01:49:58,310 --> 01:49:55,840
channeling friend on that's just going

2941
01:50:01,030 --> 01:49:58,320
to tell their channeling stories

2942
01:50:02,070 --> 01:50:01,040
with no proof no evidence no basis in

2943
01:50:03,910 --> 01:50:02,080
fact

2944
01:50:05,910 --> 01:50:03,920
you know look i'm doing the best that i

2945
01:50:08,310 --> 01:50:05,920
can i try to get the best guess that i

2946
01:50:10,390 --> 01:50:08,320
can i try to conduct a good interview

2947
01:50:12,070 --> 01:50:10,400
with each and every guest

2948
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:12,080
ask any guest that's been on my show

2949
01:50:15,430 --> 01:50:13,360
they know that i

2950
01:50:17,430 --> 01:50:15,440
you know i try to research them their

2951
01:50:20,070 --> 01:50:17,440
work so that i can intelligently

2952
01:50:22,870 --> 01:50:20,080
converse with them and

2953
01:50:25,109 --> 01:50:22,880
give my listeners a good

2954
01:50:26,709 --> 01:50:25,119
something good to listen to i do the

2955
01:50:29,350 --> 01:50:26,719
very best that i can i'm sorry if you

2956
01:50:31,830 --> 01:50:29,360
don't like my guest i'm sorry if you you

2957
01:50:34,390 --> 01:50:31,840
think you know uh that i should be

2958
01:50:36,390 --> 01:50:34,400
harder on this guest or that i was too

2959
01:50:39,109 --> 01:50:36,400
hard on that guest

2960
01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:39,119
you know look all i could say is i i do

2961
01:50:43,350 --> 01:50:41,360
the best i can i'm only human

2962
01:50:46,709 --> 01:50:43,360
after all that's we're all just humans

2963
01:50:48,790 --> 01:50:46,719
man we're all just men and you know

2964
01:50:50,709 --> 01:50:48,800
a lot of us just do the best we can and

2965
01:50:53,030 --> 01:50:50,719
that's all i do with my show i do the

2966
01:50:54,149 --> 01:50:53,040
best that i can so again if you hate a

2967
01:50:57,510 --> 01:50:54,159
guest

2968
01:50:59,990 --> 01:50:57,520
and and i've seen uh you know

2969
01:51:02,229 --> 01:51:00,000
i don't know probably more venom over

2970
01:51:04,629 --> 01:51:02,239
mister court and his appearance his

2971
01:51:07,830 --> 01:51:04,639
previous appearance on my show than any

2972
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:07,840
other guest and you know i know that

2973
01:51:12,390 --> 01:51:10,960
some of you hate his guts i get it

2974
01:51:15,589 --> 01:51:12,400
but

2975
01:51:19,109 --> 01:51:15,599
i think he presents well-researched

2976
01:51:22,229 --> 01:51:19,119
good information and and you know his

2977
01:51:24,709 --> 01:51:22,239
voice sadly like many voices of reason

2978
01:51:27,589 --> 01:51:24,719
are just getting lost in this

2979
01:51:29,270 --> 01:51:27,599
in this cloud of fairy tales that's out

2980
01:51:31,350 --> 01:51:29,280
there right now so i thought it was

2981
01:51:32,870 --> 01:51:31,360
important to have him come back and talk

2982
01:51:35,109 --> 01:51:32,880
about some of the things he was working

2983
01:51:37,109 --> 01:51:35,119
on if he didn't like the show

2984
01:51:39,510 --> 01:51:37,119
you know i i'm not even going to say i'm

2985
01:51:41,669 --> 01:51:39,520
sorry i did the best that i could

2986
01:51:44,070 --> 01:51:41,679
so there we have it folks that's how i

2987
01:51:46,870 --> 01:51:44,080
feel about people attacking my guests

2988
01:51:49,189 --> 01:51:46,880
you know sending me super nasty messages

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or tweets or arguing with me or flood in

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the comments box with all kinds of

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01:51:56,310 --> 01:51:54,320
nonsense from 20 or 30 years ago

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01:51:57,350 --> 01:51:56,320
you know it's nonsense

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and again

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i'm just going to keep saying it i do

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the best that i can if you don't like it

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01:52:04,709 --> 01:52:02,560
you know go listen to somebody else's

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01:52:07,109 --> 01:52:04,719
show that's got you know 45 minutes of

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commercials in a two-hour show you know

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that's another thing i i'm not making a

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01:52:15,189 --> 01:52:12,639
mint here i think i think i'm up to 25

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on patreon and that's the total income

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01:52:17,669 --> 01:52:16,560
of my show

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so

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you know pardon me i'm not going to take

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a lot of abuse from people over

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01:52:26,470 --> 01:52:25,119
25 a month that i'm making producing

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this show

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01:52:32,310 --> 01:52:28,880
as many people know it's just a labor of

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01:52:34,149 --> 01:52:32,320
love of mine okay so if if you

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continually attack me

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01:52:38,790 --> 01:52:37,040
and send me nasty messages over what is

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01:52:40,229 --> 01:52:38,800
supposed to be fun for me it's supposed

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01:52:42,709 --> 01:52:40,239
to be a labor of love

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i i'm sorry i'm just not gonna listen

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01:52:46,629 --> 01:52:44,960
i'm not going to engage with you if you

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01:52:49,830 --> 01:52:46,639
have something intelligent to say by all

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01:52:52,310 --> 01:52:49,840
means you know send me a message

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01:52:56,270 --> 01:52:52,320
and i should mention that people can

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01:52:58,709 --> 01:52:56,280
message me at midnight hour radio show

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gmail.com that's one of the best ways to

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01:53:02,550 --> 01:53:00,960
get a hold of me or twitter or facebook

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01:53:05,589 --> 01:53:02,560
just search for

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01:53:07,189 --> 01:53:05,599
search for me by name steven cambion i'd

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01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:07,199
also like to encourage each and every

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01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:08,800
one of you to

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01:53:13,189 --> 01:53:11,520
you know give me a dollar man that's all

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01:53:16,629 --> 01:53:13,199
you have to do to support our show is

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01:53:19,669 --> 01:53:16,639
give me a dollar a single dollar

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01:53:21,750 --> 01:53:19,679
on patreon just go to patreon backslash

3030
01:53:24,709 --> 01:53:21,760
stephencambion or search the artist's

3031
01:53:26,550 --> 01:53:24,719
search box for stephencambion and you

3032
01:53:28,390 --> 01:53:26,560
too can support our show

3033
01:53:31,030 --> 01:53:28,400
if you support our show you get early

3034
01:53:33,189 --> 01:53:31,040
access to the shows before they air

3035
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:33,199
anywhere they're in the folder in the

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01:53:38,070 --> 01:53:36,000
cloud and all our patreon supporters get

3037
01:53:40,629 --> 01:53:38,080
access to that folder

3038
01:53:43,510 --> 01:53:40,639
and also please be sure to subscribe to

3039
01:53:46,629 --> 01:53:43,520
our youtube channel where our archives

3040
01:53:49,109 --> 01:53:46,639
are eventually uploaded i know i'm six

3041
01:53:50,550 --> 01:53:49,119
or i don't know five weeks behind now

3042
01:53:52,310 --> 01:53:50,560
we're working on it

3043
01:53:53,910 --> 01:53:52,320
uh but please do subscribe to the

3044
01:53:56,070 --> 01:53:53,920
youtube channel and again that's

3045
01:53:59,030 --> 01:53:56,080
youtube.com

3046
01:54:01,430 --> 01:53:59,040
backslash stephencambion until next time

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01:54:04,149 --> 01:54:01,440
folks my name is stephen campion

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01:54:06,870 --> 01:54:04,159
reminding you that to be trusted is a

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01:54:08,730 --> 01:54:06,880
greater compliment than to be loved good

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01:54:42,390 --> 01:54:08,740
goodnight folks

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01:54:42,400 --> 01:55:02,980
so